AMMs still not firing v1.9.4

[IanD (OP)]

Sorry to be a pain but my AMMs are still not firing. In the screen shots below you can see the enemy missiles are well within the sensor range and the AAMs in range, but no AMMs fire. I tried selecting each AMM fire control and ordered it to open fire, but two 5sec increments later no AMMs fire. the second screen shot shows the missile assignment. The third shot shows the version number, v1.9.4.

What am I doing wrong?

[Black]

Well they have green color in the screenshot so you didn't give command to open fire. If that is not enough try to give them missile salvo as first target. In my game AMMs fire automaticaly on enemy missiles after that for sure.

[IanD (OP)]

OK I pushed Open Fire All, but obviously it didn't work. However the class below was set to open fire and didn't

So why didn't this cruiser and its sisters open fire?

[Black]

Try to give them target manually for first salvo, I think I did that last time I encountered enemy missile fire, after that they automatically engaged enemy missiles. Unfortunately I currently only have enemy ships with beams, so I cannot test it right now again.

[JacenHan]

From the screenshots it looks like you may not have the missiles on active sensors, only thermal. The missile contacts only show "Thermal X" rather than size and they don't show up as targets.

[DFNewb]

What's your active sensor like? Maybe turn on the active sensor toggle on the tactical window.

[IanD (OP)]

From the screenshots it looks like you may not have the missiles on active sensors, only thermal. The missile contacts only show "Thermal X" rather than size and they don't show up as targets.

If you look at the ship combat screens you will see the sensor button says Active Off, indicating it is on. The sensors are AS6/R1 and are shown on the screen shot in the first post with a range of 6.3 million kilometres.

Try to give them target manually for first salvo, I think I did that last time I encountered enemy missile fire, after that they automatically engaged enemy missiles. Unfortunately I currently only have enemy ships with beams, so I cannot test it right now again.

The enemy missiles are not in the target list to lock them up with the fire control.
 
Edit: The aliens only have ECM 10 so I don't think its missile ECM.
I can post the data base if anyone wants it although I just updated to 1.9.5 but not advanced the time.

[Demonides]

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[Father Tim]

The enemy missiles are not in the target list to lock them up with the fire control.

Well, that's the answer to your original question -- your missiles are not firing because Aurora does not see the other missiles as a valid target.

Not that that is a great deal of help.  We still don't know why your ships won't (can't?) target them.

[Iceranger]

From the screenshots it looks like you may not have the missiles on active sensors, only thermal. The missile contacts only show "Thermal X" rather than size and they don't show up as targets.

If you look at the ship combat screens you will see the sensor button says Active Off, indicating it is on. The sensors are AS6/R1 and are shown on the screen shot in the first post with a range of 6.3 million kilometres.

Try to give them target manually for first salvo, I think I did that last time I encountered enemy missile fire, after that they automatically engaged enemy missiles. Unfortunately I currently only have enemy ships with beams, so I cannot test it right now again.

The enemy missiles are not in the target list to lock them up with the fire control.
 
Edit: The aliens only have ECM 10 so I don't think its missile ECM.
I can post the data base if anyone wants it although I just updated to 1.9.5 but not advanced the time.

The default name AS6/R1 means it picks up 1HS targets at 6mkm range. The 6mkm range shown on the tactical map is its max range. So your missile detection range is ~0.6mkm. It is correct that those missiles are only detected by thermal, otherwise, it will show their size rather than thermal. Another indicator is that your tracking bonus (TB) is 0%. If you have the tracking bonus tech, tracking bonus will start to accumulate once the missiles are tracked by active sensors.

[Zincat]

I think the problem is what Iceranger said. Your active sensor is not powerful enough.
6m km is for a 1 HS = size 50 missile.
If the enemy missiles are size 5, the range of your sensors would be ~600k km and all those missiles are further than that.

[IanD (OP)]

OK that would explain it the missiles will be picked up at 563.602 kilometres, they are at about 700,000 k in the screen shot. I will advance the time and see what happens. Sorry to be a bother.

(I have Max tracking time for Bonus v Missiles: 60 seconds (12%))


Yes, that was the problem sensor too small! Missiles launched but don't think it will save me.

[DFNewb]

I too suspect it's your active sensors. On the tactical map on the left side there is a checkbox for active sensors.

Also when looking at your sensors in the ship design it tells you the range they can detect the smallest possible size missile (size 6 or smaller missiles). That range has to be at least 5 times the speed of the enemy missiles (+/- you ships movement) for your active Res1 sensors to pick them up so you can shoot them.

[JacenHan]

Also when looking at your sensors in the ship design it tells you the range they can detect the smallest possible size missile (size 6 or smaller missiles).

On the class design/ship summary display this shows up as MCR range.

[amram]

OP, when you make an AMM sensor, you want to worry about the MCR range, thats for detecting size 6(and anything smaller)  missiles.

As others noted, you have a 1HS range of 6mkm, but detection range is min(1,(max(MCR, tgt HS) / resolution))^2 * maximum range.

So, you have missiles incoming.  Lets assume they are size 4, since we don't have them on active sensors, we don't know how big they are(unless we work it out from the thermal output...)

So lets plug everyting in:

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min(1,(max(MCR, tgt HS) / resolution))^2 * maximum range
min(1,(max(0.3, s4 * 0.05HS) / 1HS))^2 * 6mkm
min(1,(max(0.3, 0.2) / 1))^2 * 6mkm
    Note that a size 4 missile at 0.2 HS, is smaller than the minimum 0.3, so 0.3 is used.
min(1,(0.3 / 1))^2 * 6mkm
min(1,0.3)^2 * 6mkm
    Note that this maxes out at 1.0, no bonus for bigger targets than the resolution.
0.3^2 * 6mkm
0.09 * 6mkm
0.54mkm
So you will not detect them until they are within half a million km.

Don't bother with the math every time, just use the MCR value in the sensor design window - thats what that math is for.