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Potential Spoilers: Aurora C# Enemy AI Ship Design and Tactics Thread.
lennson:
Given the direction of making larger modules more efficient the NPC empires should be able to 'scale up' ship designs as their economy grows. Currently the NPC empires appear quite restricted in terms to the size of ships that they field. I think that it would be useful if the NPC empires had a ship template that can be scaled up as large as their economy permits. Enabling the NPC empires to build 'super capital' ships (i.e. one ship making up a significant fraction of an entire fleet's tonnage) probably is needed for them to make effective use of the newly strengthened shields.
iceball3:
--- Quote from: TCD on June 08, 2017, 11:14:38 AM ---I guess one important question to discuss if how much we care about the AI cheating if it make it a better threat? alex_brunius excellent thoughts are prefaced on things the AI could reasonably know if it was a human player. But it does add a lot of extra calculation for Steve to make those estimates. Alternatively, the AI could just "know" your relative tech level and your total fleet size etc. That would reduce your ability to be sneaky and deliberately try to tempt the AI out to a battle it can't win. But it might make for a more satisfying challenge.
I think I'm okay with the AI cheating a bit if it makes it easier/possible to code in more intelligence.
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It does mean a lot of prospective PvP obfuscation tactics might be nil.
Hmm, unless we make this a function of espionage teams, perchance? Make it so espionage can yield "fleet weapon usage by total tonnage" or "platform force value" without specifics? So for instance, an AI could use espionage on you or interrogate your crew (or vice versa) to become aware that you have a lot of sensors with high tracking speed multiplier/turrets with a specific tonnage gear without actually mentioning it's respective tracking speed, or that a fleet is mounting 200HS worth of reduced-size launchers, or so forth. It'll allow AI's and the player access to the more transcendental knowledge, perhaps AI moreso when you've cranked their difficulty, (hopefully) giving them access to more military academies.
MagusXIX:
I never play with NPRs on, mostly because of how much it slows everything down. If that's fixed (or just much better) with the C# version, then I'll give it a shot.
(I mostly play vs myself.)
alex_brunius:
--- Quote from: iceball3 on June 08, 2017, 01:15:12 PM ---It does mean a lot of prospective PvP obfuscation tactics might be nil.
Hmm, unless we make this a function of espionage teams, perchance? Make it so espionage can yield "fleet weapon usage by total tonnage" or "platform force value" without specifics? So for instance, an AI could use espionage on you or interrogate your crew (or vice versa) to become aware that you have a lot of sensors with high tracking speed multiplier/turrets with a specific tonnage gear without actually mentioning it's respective tracking speed, or that a fleet is mounting 200HS worth of reduced-size launchers, or so forth. It'll allow AI's and the player access to the more transcendental knowledge, perhaps AI moreso when you've cranked their difficulty, (hopefully) giving them access to more military academies.
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Actually it would make more sense IMHO if this was not tied only to espionage teams, but instead to a general type of "knowledge of enemy ships" which is gained mainly from salvaging their warships.
Salvaging many warships of an empire should give you a pretty good idea about the general makeup of their ships. Things like their performance, techlevel and weapon percentage all included.
I do agree that interrogating crew could boost it, and it could also be boosted massively if you manage to capture ships ( making this more worthwhile except for RP purposes ).
Overall I feel this part of the game is a bit lacking. If I have destroyed half their navy, captured all their surviving crew and salvaged all their ships I should have an almost complete picture of what I am up against, and I should also know that I have destroyed roughly half of their navy by now and rough estimates on their ship building or the capacity of their yards.
Historically for example during WW2 the allies were able to estimate German tank production within a few percent accuracy by such a simple thing as counting serial numbers of parts in the tanks they were knocking out and salvaging in Normandy.
This could neatly also solve the problem of giving the AI enough knowledge without cheating, by just making sure they aggressively salvage stuff and capture surviving crew.
Detros:
--- Quote from: alex_brunius on June 09, 2017, 02:33:23 AM ---Historically for example during WW2 the allies were able to estimate German tank production within a few percent accuracy by such a simple thing as counting serial numbers of parts in the tanks they were knocking out and salvaging in Normandy.
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"Intelligence Update: Glasgow - Salvaging teams of SV Minnesota have found a bridge in the Wreck #27. The salvaged info suggests this wreck belongs to the 8th finished ship of class Anubis which appears to have been designed as Area Defence Carrier. Intelligence report on this class was updated. Other known wrecks of the same class have been marked as of Anubis class."
Effects:
* designation set to ADC in Intelligence screen
* minimal number of finished ships set to 8 in Intelligence screen
* Wreck #27 renamed to "Anubis #8 wreck" in System map
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