Refueling Fleets?

[macks (OP)]

Hey, I'm super confused at how to use sorium harvesters and tankers.   Here's the two tankers I've built:
Aleksandrovsk class Fuel Harvester      99 980 tons       550 Crew       2 200.  3 BP       TCS 2 000    TH 3 000    EM 0
1500 km/s      Armour 1-191       Shields 0-0       HTK 258      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 1      PPV 0
MSP 13    Max Repair 62.  5 MSP
Lieutenant Commander    Control Rating 1   BRG   
Intended Deployment Time: 27 months   
Fuel Harvester: 28 modules producing 1 120 000 litres per annum

Central Engineworks CE Ion EP250.  00 (12)    Power 3000    Fuel Use 5.  30%    Signature 250    Explosion 5%
Fuel Capacity 2 130 000 Litres    Range 72.  3 billion km (557 days at full power)
Refuelling Capability: 60 000 litres per hour     Complete Refuel 35 hours

This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes

AND

Aleksandrovsk Mark II class Fuel Harvester      26 546 tons       150 Crew       586.  3 BP       TCS 531    TH 500    EM 0
941 km/s      Armour 1-79       Shields 0-0       HTK 65      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 1      PPV 0
MSP 13    Max Repair 62.  5 MSP
Lieutenant Commander    Control Rating 1   BRG   
Intended Deployment Time: 27 months   
Fuel Harvester: 8 modules producing 320 000 litres per annum

Central Engineworks CE Ion EP250.  00 (2)    Power 500    Fuel Use 5.  30%    Signature 250    Explosion 5%
Fuel Capacity 1 000 000 Litres    Range 127.  8 billion km (1571 days at full power)
Refuelling Capability: 60 000 litres per hour     Complete Refuel 16 hours

This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes

I've built the Mark II version as I accidentally sent the Mark I's out without minimum fuel requirements and dump fuel when full standing orders.   I've solved that problem.   Now, I cant figure out for the life of me how to refuel them.   I've detached the Mark II's and then used Join and Refuel orders over and over, and I've done it where they move to another location and move back.   They always just join the fleet despite the minimum fuel of the Mark II being 120000.   They have full tanks.   I don't understand. 

Version 1. 6. 3

[Father Tim]

I never tried using Fuel Harvesters as tankers, so I'm not sure.  To be clear, I mean my fuel harvesters park and harvest fuel.  My tankers (which do not have harvesting modules) load from the harvesters and unload at a colony.

I'm not sure anybody else has used ships equipped with harvesting modules to ferry fuel back and forth.

It is also unclear to me if your problem is that the 'tankers' are trying to give fuel to the 'harvesters' (and failing because they are full) or they are failing to take fuel from them (and failing for some other reason).

As a workaround, spead out each ship in its own subfleet, and experiment with conditional orders to "unload at nearest colony when full" and direct orders to do the same and various combinations of 'refuel A from B' and 'join B and refuel fleet' etc.

[unkfester]

Hey, I'm super confused at how to use sorium harvesters and tankers.    Here's the two tankers I've built:
Aleksandrovsk class Fuel Harvester      99 980 tons       550 Crew       2 200.   3 BP       TCS 2 000    TH 3 000    EM 0
1500 km/s      Armour 1-191       Shields 0-0       HTK 2

58      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 1      PPV 0
MSP 13    Max Repair 62.   5 MSP
Lieutenant Commander    Control Rating 1   BRG   
Intended Deployment Time: 27 months   
Fuel Harvester: 28 modules producing 1 120 000 litres per annum

Central Engineworks CE Ion EP250.   00 (12)    Power 3000    Fuel Use 5.   30%    Signature 250    Explosion 5%
Fuel Capacity 2 130 000 Litres    Range 72.   3 billion km (557 days at full power)
Refuelling Capability: 60 000 litres per hour     Complete Refuel 35 hours

This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes

AND

Aleksandrovsk Mark II class Fuel Harvester      26 546 tons       150 Crew       586.   3 BP       TCS 531    TH 500    EM 0
941 km/s      Armour 1-79       Shields 0-0       HTK 65      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 1      PPV 0
MSP 13    Max Repair 62.   5 MSP
Lieutenant Commander    Control Rating 1   BRG   
Intended Deployment Time: 27 months   
Fuel Harvester: 8 modules producing 320 000 litres per annum

Central Engineworks CE Ion EP250.   00 (2)    Power 500    Fuel Use 5.   30%    Signature 250    Explosion 5%
Fuel Capacity 1 000 000 Litres    Range 127.   8 billion km (1571 days at full power)
Refuelling Capability: 60 000 litres per hour     Complete Refuel 16 hours

This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes

I've built the Mark II version as I accidentally sent the Mark I's out without minimum fuel requirements and dump fuel when full standing orders.    I've solved that problem.    Now, I cant figure out for the life of me how to refuel them.    I've detached the Mark II's and then used Join and Refuel orders over and over, and I've done it where they move to another location and move back.    They always just join the fleet despite the minimum fuel of the Mark II being 120000.    They have full tanks.    I don't understand.   

Version 1.  6.  3

I am having same problem.  I do not know how to set minimum fuel on harvesters.  When they auto unload at colony it goes to 0 fuel.  and they try and move to planet. And for the life of me I can not refuel them with my tankers.

[Black]

Minimum fuel level can be set in Class Design - Miscellaneous tab. It is in litres so set something like 200000. Depends how far your harvester needs to go.

As for refueling, if you have tankers in same location order ship you want to refuel to: Refuel from Stationary Tankers.

[unkfester]

Minimum fuel level can be set in Class Design - Miscellaneous tab.  It is in litres so set something like 200000.  Depends how far your harvester needs to go.

As for refueling, if you have tankers in same location order ship you want to refuel to: Refuel from Stationary Tankers.

Still got same problem.  Harvesters are empty.   tankers are full.  I still cant get tankers to put fuel in harvesters.  Even on latest version.   I tried it every which way.  I spent an hour today instant made tankers & harvester.  Oh harvesters empty all there fuel when unloading on colony when full.   Then I try and fill some fuel from tanker .  You try maybe I am missing something.   

[Demonides]

Minimum fuel level can be set in Class Design - Miscellaneous tab.  It is in litres so set something like 200000.  Depends how far your harvester needs to go.

As for refueling, if you have tankers in same location order ship you want to refuel to: Refuel from Stationary Tankers.

Still got same problem.  Harvesters are empty.   tankers are full.  I still cant get tankers to put fuel in harvesters.  Even on latest version.   I tried it every which way.  I spent an hour today instant made tankers & harvester.  Oh harvesters empty all there fuel when unloading on colony when full.   Then I try and fill some fuel from tanker .  You try maybe I am missing something.

can you share db ?

[unkfester]

Minimum fuel level can be set in Class Design - Miscellaneous tab.   It is in litres so set something like 200000.   Depends how far your harvester needs to go. 

As for refueling, if you have tankers in same location order ship you want to refuel to: Refuel from Stationary Tankers. 

Still got same problem.   Harvesters are empty.    tankers are full.   I still cant get tankers to put fuel in harvesters.   Even on latest version.    I tried it every which way.   I spent an hour today instant made tankers & harvester.   Oh harvesters empty all there fuel when unloading on colony when full.    Then I try and fill some fuel from tanker .   You try maybe I am missing something. 

can you share db ?

I have tried, How do you share DB.  I have tried adding Attachment but it wont accept DB file.  Regards

[DFNewb]

Minimum fuel level can be set in Class Design - Miscellaneous tab.   It is in litres so set something like 200000.   Depends how far your harvester needs to go. 

As for refueling, if you have tankers in same location order ship you want to refuel to: Refuel from Stationary Tankers. 

Still got same problem.   Harvesters are empty.    tankers are full.   I still cant get tankers to put fuel in harvesters.   Even on latest version.    I tried it every which way.   I spent an hour today instant made tankers & harvester.   Oh harvesters empty all there fuel when unloading on colony when full.    Then I try and fill some fuel from tanker .   You try maybe I am missing something. 

can you share db ?

I have tried, How do you share DB.  I have tried adding Attachment but it wont accept DB file.  Regards

Right click on the DB file and press sent to compressed file then upload the .zip

[Father Tim]

Also, you need ten posts before you're allowed to use links and images and attachments.

Try doing it again.

[Erik L]

I've added "db" as a valid attachment extension.

[unkfester]

Minimum fuel level can be set in Class Design - Miscellaneous tab.   It is in litres so set something like 200000.   Depends how far your harvester needs to go. 

As for refueling, if you have tankers in same location order ship you want to refuel to: Refuel from Stationary Tankers. 

Still got same problem.   Harvesters are empty.    tankers are full.   I still cant get tankers to put fuel in harvesters.   Even on latest version.    I tried it every which way.   I spent an hour today instant made tankers & harvester.   Oh harvesters empty all there fuel when unloading on colony when full.    Then I try and fill some fuel from tanker .   You try maybe I am missing something. 

can you share db ?

I have tried, How do you share DB.  I have tried adding Attachment but it wont accept DB file.  Regards

This is my DB.
This is a test, with instant start Tanker & Harvester, They are built how i would build in game.
I have a harvester that is empty, and a tanker that has gone to refuel it.
The orders for the Tanker are "join and refuel Fleet" it does not refuel.
 I have tried numerous different ways but the tanker will not refuel harvester. 
Right click on the DB file and press sent to compressed file then upload the .zip

[Droll]

Minimum fuel level can be set in Class Design - Miscellaneous tab.   It is in litres so set something like 200000.   Depends how far your harvester needs to go. 

As for refueling, if you have tankers in same location order ship you want to refuel to: Refuel from Stationary Tankers. 

Still got same problem.   Harvesters are empty.    tankers are full.   I still cant get tankers to put fuel in harvesters.   Even on latest version.    I tried it every which way.   I spent an hour today instant made tankers & harvester.   Oh harvesters empty all there fuel when unloading on colony when full.    Then I try and fill some fuel from tanker .   You try maybe I am missing something. 

can you share db ?

I have tried, How do you share DB.  I have tried adding Attachment but it wont accept DB file.  Regards

This is my DB.
This is a test, with instant start Tanker & Harvester, They are built how i would build in game.
I have a harvester that is empty, and a tanker that has gone to refuel it.
The orders for the Tanker are "join and refuel Fleet" it does not refuel.
 I have tried numerous different ways but the tanker will not refuel harvester. 
Right click on the DB file and press sent to compressed file then upload the .zip

Wait you are trying to refuel the harvester? Is the harvester designated as a tanker itself?

[unkfester]

Yes at the time it ran out of fuel getting back to gas giant. A tanker should still be able to fuel a tanker IMA.

[Father Tim]

Yes at the time it ran out of fuel getting back to gas giant. A tanker should still be able to fuel a tanker IMA.

Make sure everything is designated a 'tanker', make sure everything has a minimum fuel amount set, and make sure (via SM) that everything has more than the minimum amount of fuel on board.

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And after all that, strart a new game in 1.8.0, because it very likely may be a bug that is already fixed.

[unkfester]

Yes at the time it ran out of fuel getting back to gas giant. A tanker should still be able to fuel a tanker IMA.

Make sure everything is designated a 'tanker', make sure everything has a minimum fuel amount set, and make sure (via SM) that everything has more than the minimum amount of fuel on board.

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And after all that, strart a new game in 1.8.0, because it very likely may be a bug that is already fixed.

1.9.0 now lol