Posted by: Garfunkel
« on: March 12, 2019, 11:20:48 PM »Damn shame, that was an interesting looking setup!
Also, it seems your ship is too fast for its beam weaponry.
4 railguns would outperform the Gauss turret even against fast targets like missiles (16 shots@6k vs. 6shots@12k) on comparable weight, lower cost, lower fire control overhead, and much better firepower against slow targets.
Your long-range BFC is twice as large as the single laser it controls, 2 hull-mounted lasers with a 6k fire control would seem preferable. The turret setup may be worth retaining if you add a few barrels, but not for a single weapon.
Please elaborate how the fire controls are slow for the ship's speed. I'm not sure how that is the case, unless I'm missing something.
My empire has virtually no advancement in Gauss tech. Both this and my fire control tech are limited by what I have available. The lasers are for knife fighting only, anyway.
Thanks for the reply.
I think that you might need to investigate what the roles of the ships actually should be...
I appreciate the response, but I think I've pretty clearly defined here what each of these ships are intended to do. Was that not the case?QuoteI mean there are huge discrepency between deployment times, range and maintenance for the ships as one example.
I can see how you'd think that, but actually the maintenance deployment times are irrelevant. Every ship has enough maintenance capacity to repair its largest component once, or in the case of the Luna, twice. No other factor was considered. That being said, in general, the ships are designed with enough crew accommodations to be away from port for about 4 months. There is some discrepancy in range, yes, but not so much that these ships are unable to operate together.
As for the rest of your comments, yes it would be nice to have a massive support system of auxiliary ships and specialist ship types, along with a nice, deep reserve of older ships performing lower-risk duties. Unfortunately I simply don't have the shipyards, available research, or production capacity to support that - at least not yet. For the longest time the Lunas were the only combat ships I had at all, and only now are other combat ships hitting the field.
Thanks for your replies!
I think that you might need to investigate what the roles of the ships actually should be...
I mean there are huge discrepency between deployment times, range and maintenance for the ships as one example.
I'd rethink the propulsion setups... 40% of engine weight is performance-optimal for a given engine size. That's 1m litres per size-50 engine, 1.5m with compressed fuel storage afaik. For your Luna-class destroyer, you could use 3 engines at 0.8 power output and 35HS of fuel for the same speed and range, leaving 10HS for more mission tonnage while reducing fuel consumption by more than half.
Also, it seems your ship is too fast for its beam weaponry.
4 railguns would outperform the Gauss turret even against fast targets like missiles (16 shots@6k vs. 6shots@12k) on comparable weight, lower cost, lower fire control overhead, and much better firepower against slow targets.
Your long-range BFC is twice as large as the single laser it controls, 2 hull-mounted lasers with a 6k fire control would seem preferable. The turret setup may be worth retaining if you add a few barrels, but not for a single weapon.
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