Post reply

Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.

Note: this post will not display until it's been approved by a moderator.

Name:
Email:
Subject:
Message icon:

shortcuts: hit alt+s to submit/post or alt+p to preview

Please read the rules before you post!


Topic Summary

Posted by: Charlie Beeler
« on: September 02, 2011, 03:08:43 PM »

Steve added this to the tech description in the database last year.

Quote
Commercial Jump Drives are larger, less efficient and cannot be used by ships with military engines

There is a more detailed explanation in the v5.1 suggestions thread.
Posted by: Erik L
« on: September 02, 2011, 02:37:26 PM »

OK, so the jump capacity is : min(Jump Ship Size, Jump Drive Capacity). Thanks for the tip, I did not understand that point when reading the tutorials.

Speaking about tutorials, the wiki says : vs.
Can you confirm one or the other version ? (I'll correct the wiki if needed, it's a useful tool for beginners  :))

I was under the impression military could jump commercial, but not the reverse.
Posted by: Herode
« on: September 02, 2011, 02:31:15 PM »

OK, so the jump capacity is : min(Jump Ship Size, Jump Drive Capacity). Thanks for the tip, I did not understand that point when reading the tutorials.

Speaking about tutorials, the wiki says :
Quote
Ships with commercial engines can be escorted by ships with either military or commercial jump drives
vs.
  • Commercial jumpdrives only support commercial ships and the same restriction is on military jumpdrives.

Can you confirm one or the other version ? (I'll correct the wiki if needed, it's a useful tool for beginners  :))
Posted by: sloanjh
« on: September 02, 2011, 02:14:29 PM »

My kneejerk response is that a simple forum search would have answered your question.

These are common mistakes that seem to be reported by new players every few weeks: 
  • The jumpdrive being used must be large enough to cover the jumpship itself.
  • The size of the jumpship is maximum limit to ship size that can jump with it not the limit of the drive.
  • Commercial jumpdrives only support commercial ships and the same restriction is on military jumpdrives.
  • Squadron transit is limited to the task group that the jumpship is a part of and the squadron size limit includes the jumpship.
 

Feel free to add to the FAQ* :)

John

*  Then the problem becomes getting the new players to read the FAQ :)
Posted by: Charlie Beeler
« on: September 02, 2011, 12:54:37 PM »

My kneejerk response is that a simple forum search would have answered your question.

These are common mistakes that seem to be reported by new players every few weeks: 
  • The jumpdrive being used must be large enough to cover the jumpship itself.
  • The size of the jumpship is maximum limit to ship size that can jump with it not the limit of the drive.
  • Commercial jumpdrives only support commercial ships and the same restriction is on military jumpdrives.
  • Squadron transit is limited to the task group that the jumpship is a part of and the squadron size limit includes the jumpship.
 

Posted by: Thiosk
« on: September 02, 2011, 12:43:55 PM »

the belknap is bigger than the forrestal.  The jump tender mass sets the actual minimum of the jump tending capability, not the jump drive size.  Pad out the forrestal with fuel and what not to make up the difference.
Posted by: Herode
« on: September 02, 2011, 12:35:26 PM »

2 Jump Tenders are waiting at a JP :
Quote
Ticonderoga class Jump Tender    35700 tons     506 Crew   [...] 
JC49K Commercial Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 49500 tons    Distance 25k km     Squadron Size 2

Forrestal class Jump Ship    4150 tons     388 Crew     [...]
J6750(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 6750 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3

I send a small military ship to this location with the 'standard transit' order. Here is the pretender :
Quote
Belknap class Corvette    4850 tons     463 Crew     401 BP  [...]

And the message I get in the Events Log :
Quote
26th November 2053 05:34:31,Sol,CT Belknap 001 cannot carry out its standard transit order as at least one ship is larger than the ship with the highest jump rating. No friendly or allied jump ships are available for escort

Considering the relative size and jump capacities of the ships, I don't understand why the jump fails.  ???

NB : Squadron jump also fails, of course.