Posted by: Father Tim
« on: May 04, 2020, 06:54:06 AM »You're welcome.
Posted by: Kaiser
« on: May 03, 2020, 03:00:46 PM »So guys, I have 2 fuel harvester on Uranus, neither of them has a refuelling system component. 15km from them I have a tanker with a refuelling system which I wish to refill.
3) A strange behaviour I have seen is that when I give the tanker the order "move to the location X" (the harvetser in this case) the tanker gets close up to 15km from the harvester, but never exactly the same location.
3) Your Tanker has the higher Inititative, so it moves to the harvester, then the harvester moves away to follow Uranus.
(Or possibly the other way around, and the problem is the 'chase curve' calculated by the tanker doesn't meet the harvester because the harvester's plotted course is speed 1 km/s but its actual movement is dictated by the orbit of Uranus at a speed of 7 km/s.)
smeg, you are f......g right! I did not consider that the tanker is not following the harvester and that latter is stick to Uranus. Thank you.
Posted by: bean
« on: May 03, 2020, 07:45:08 AM »This is one of very few areas where I think there has been a major step backwards since VB6. It's at the point where I usually just SM in more fuel if I have a ship run out close to its destination (usually a survey ship with a miscalibrated automatic refuel order) because of how much of a hassle it is. The best way I've found is to move the tanker to the ship, then have the ship use a "refuel from stationary tankers" order, which is obviously a lot more work than doing it entirely on the tanker's side. Even a "Refuel Stationary Ships" order would be tremendously helpful.
Posted by: Father Tim
« on: May 03, 2020, 12:05:27 AM »So guys, I have 2 fuel harvester on Uranus, neither of them has a refuelling system component. 15km from them I have a tanker with a refuelling system which I wish to refill.
3) A strange behaviour I have seen is that when I give the tanker the order "move to the location X" (the harvetser in this case) the tanker gets close up to 15km from the harvester, but never exactly the same location.
3) Your Tanker has the higher Inititative, so it moves to the harvester, then the harvester moves away to follow Uranus.
(Or possibly the other way around, and the problem is the 'chase curve' calculated by the tanker doesn't meet the harvester because the harvester's plotted course is speed 1 km/s but its actual movement is dictated by the orbit of Uranus at a speed of 7 km/s.)
Posted by: Kaiser
« on: May 02, 2020, 05:36:18 PM »So guys, I have 2 fuel harvester on Uranus, neither of them has a refuelling system component. 15km from them I have a tanker with a refuelling system which I wish to refill.Per the changes on refueling, the harvester needs to have a refueling system to refuel from it. Even if the destination ship has one. The refueling system allows the ship to refuel other ships, not refuel *from* other ships.
1) Which order should I use to refill the tanker from the harvester?
2) None of the order I tried so far seems working, however I managed to use my tanker to refill other ships around the space (none of them have a refuelling system). The order was always "ship X refil from tanker Y" never the contrary.
3) A strange behaviour I have seen is that when I give the tanker the order "move to the location X" (the harvetser in this case) the tanker gets close up to 15km from the harvester, but never exactly the same location.
So, basically I have to refit my harvester adding a refuelling component, thank you.
Posted by: Lightning
« on: May 02, 2020, 03:27:59 PM »underway replenishment requires the ships to be in the same fleet according to the change listI do have it researched, though I did design & build the tankers prior to that.Every time I've tried refueling from a tanker like that, I've had to change the speed of the tanker fleet to 0 for the order to show up.
That is most likely because you do not have Underway Replenishment researched. If you try to use the command on station without engine it should work even without Underway Replenishment.
The fact that tanker was build before the tech was researched should not matter, there is no component to install on the ship.
Posted by: Lightning
« on: May 02, 2020, 03:26:33 PM »So guys, I have 2 fuel harvester on Uranus, neither of them has a refuelling system component. 15km from them I have a tanker with a refuelling system which I wish to refill.Per the changes on refueling, the harvester needs to have a refueling system to refuel from it. Even if the destination ship has one. The refueling system allows the ship to refuel other ships, not refuel *from* other ships.
1) Which order should I use to refill the tanker from the harvester?
2) None of the order I tried so far seems working, however I managed to use my tanker to refill other ships around the space (none of them have a refuelling system). The order was always "ship X refil from tanker Y" never the contrary.
3) A strange behaviour I have seen is that when I give the tanker the order "move to the location X" (the harvetser in this case) the tanker gets close up to 15km from the harvester, but never exactly the same location.
Posted by: Kaiser
« on: May 02, 2020, 01:25:51 PM »So guys, I have 2 fuel harvester on Uranus, neither of them has a refuelling system component. 15km from them I have a tanker with a refuelling system which I wish to refill.
1) Which order should I use to refill the tanker from the harvester?
2) None of the order I tried so far seems working, however I managed to use my tanker to refill other ships around the space (none of them have a refuelling system). The order was always "ship X refil from tanker Y" never the contrary.
3) A strange behaviour I have seen is that when I give the tanker the order "move to the location X" (the harvetser in this case) the tanker gets close up to 15km from the harvester, but never exactly the same location.
1) Which order should I use to refill the tanker from the harvester?
2) None of the order I tried so far seems working, however I managed to use my tanker to refill other ships around the space (none of them have a refuelling system). The order was always "ship X refil from tanker Y" never the contrary.
3) A strange behaviour I have seen is that when I give the tanker the order "move to the location X" (the harvetser in this case) the tanker gets close up to 15km from the harvester, but never exactly the same location.
Posted by: Black
« on: May 02, 2020, 10:00:20 AM »I do have it researched, though I did design & build the tankers prior to that.Every time I've tried refueling from a tanker like that, I've had to change the speed of the tanker fleet to 0 for the order to show up.
That is most likely because you do not have Underway Replenishment researched. If you try to use the command on station without engine it should work even without Underway Replenishment.
The fact that tanker was build before the tech was researched should not matter, there is no component to install on the ship.
Posted by: Lightning
« on: May 02, 2020, 09:53:17 AM »I do have it researched, though I did design & build the tankers prior to that.Every time I've tried refueling from a tanker like that, I've had to change the speed of the tanker fleet to 0 for the order to show up.
That is most likely because you do not have Underway Replenishment researched. If you try to use the command on station without engine it should work even without Underway Replenishment.
Posted by: skoormit
« on: May 02, 2020, 07:28:07 AM »I have tanker/supply ship that I want to give repeating orders to for moving to and refueling/resupplying space stations in Sol.
But I can't do it.
I can only give it orders to Join & Refuel/Resupply.
But I don't want it to join the target fleet.
I just want it to move to the target fleet, Refuel/Resupply the target fleet, and move on.
(If it joins the target fleet, I have to babysit the transfer, then detach the ship and re-enter the orders. But I want this to be automated.)
Am I overlooking another option that allows this to be automated?
The easiest form of automation (for now) might be to return to the Jump Tender paradigm, and have the 'supply' ship (with fuel, maintenance, and possibly ordnance) as part of the fleet, but wait on each jump point as the survey is conducted by sub-fleets. When the survey is done they all meet up at the next jump point and refuel & resupply (& possibly re-arm) before jumping. When the supply ship runs low, it can return to a major colony to fill up while the subfleets survey.
The downside, of course, is that now you need one supply ship per survey fleet.
That's a really good way to approach it. I'll probably do something like that for the time being.
My hope is to be able to position "Pit Stop" fleets at all gated jump points and give cycling orders to tankers to deliver fuel to the pit stops.
In theory, this can reduce the fuel range required for ship designs that make intersystem trips. If refuelling is available at every jump point, ships only need enough range to move from one JP to the next.
I can set all of that up now, but I have to manually perform the refuelling every time a tanker arrives to deliver fuel to a pit stop.
Posted by: Father Tim
« on: May 02, 2020, 07:03:55 AM »I have tanker/supply ship that I want to give repeating orders to for moving to and refueling/resupplying space stations in Sol.
But I can't do it.
I can only give it orders to Join & Refuel/Resupply.
But I don't want it to join the target fleet.
I just want it to move to the target fleet, Refuel/Resupply the target fleet, and move on.
(If it joins the target fleet, I have to babysit the transfer, then detach the ship and re-enter the orders. But I want this to be automated.)
Am I overlooking another option that allows this to be automated?
The easiest form of automation (for now) might be to return to the Jump Tender paradigm, and have the 'supply' ship (with fuel, maintenance, and possibly ordnance) as part of the fleet, but wait on each jump point as the survey is conducted by sub-fleets. When the survey is done they all meet up at the next jump point and refuel & resupply (& possibly re-arm) before jumping. When the supply ship runs low, it can return to a major colony to fill up while the subfleets survey.
The downside, of course, is that now you need one supply ship per survey fleet.
Posted by: Black
« on: May 02, 2020, 03:37:45 AM »Every time I've tried refueling from a tanker like that, I've had to change the speed of the tanker fleet to 0 for the order to show up.
That is most likely because you do not have Underway Replenishment researched. If you try to use the command on station without engine it should work even without Underway Replenishment.
Posted by: Lightning
« on: May 01, 2020, 07:22:00 PM »Every time I've tried refueling from a tanker like that, I've had to change the speed of the tanker fleet to 0 for the order to show up.I have a similar issue, I have 6 survey fleet without fuel. The only way I found is to join the fleet, select a random target and order refuel from own tanks, detach, send tanker to the next.
When the tanker arrives at your fleet, you can have your survey fleet target the tanker and use the "Refuel from stationary ship" order.
I can do the same thing in my situation, but again, that makes the process not automatable.
Posted by: Black
« on: May 01, 2020, 06:47:19 PM »Does the empty tanker have its minimum fuel set to 0? If so I wouldn't consider this a bug. If not then yes. The reason being that you would otherwise get the problem where two tankers get stuck trying to refuel each other, letting the rest of the fleet run dry.
I actually tried both situations and in both situations there was no fuel transferred to empty ships. Well I posted it in bug thread, so maybe Steve will tell us if it is WAI or not. The thing is you can transfer MSP from one supply ship to the other, so I presumed that this would work for fuel transfer as well.
