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Posted by: Iceranger
« on: August 28, 2020, 02:22:51 PM »

Quote from: kenlon on August 28, 2020, 12:49:59 PM
Quote from: TheTalkingMeowth on August 27, 2020, 07:23:21 PM
Wait, magazines don't have maintenance failures? I can't say I remember seeing one fail, but I'm pretty sure they get factored into the life and max repair calculations.

Magazines really should have maintenance failures that result in the missiles loaded into them being unavailable until they are repaired, thinking about it.d

If magazines have maintenance failures, then if it fails, it has a chance to detonate, and you will lose the missiles stored within. Since in the current mechanism, maintenance failure is basically applying damage to the component rolled by RNGesus.
Posted by: db48x
« on: August 28, 2020, 01:07:40 PM »

Same with fuel storage. A simple box that holds things rarely fails, but the magazine feed system or the fuel pumping system can fail.
Posted by: kenlon
« on: August 28, 2020, 12:49:59 PM »

Quote from: TheTalkingMeowth on August 27, 2020, 07:23:21 PM
Wait, magazines don't have maintenance failures? I can't say I remember seeing one fail, but I'm pretty sure they get factored into the life and max repair calculations.

Magazines really should have maintenance failures that result in the missiles loaded into them being unavailable until they are repaired, thinking about it.d
Posted by: Iceranger
« on: August 28, 2020, 09:03:24 AM »

Quote from: xenoscepter on August 28, 2020, 12:59:51 AM
Quote from: Iceranger on August 27, 2020, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: TheTalkingMeowth on August 27, 2020, 07:23:21 PM
Wait, magazines don't have maintenance failures? I can't say I remember seeing one fail, but I'm pretty sure they get factored into the life and max repair calculations.

Yes, every component other than the armor is factored into max repair and maint life calculations. But some cannot fail.
In this sense, the maint life is not an accurate estimate either.

Negative. Armor is factored into Maintenance Life.
http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=11056.msg128800#msg128800

You are right, I meant to say `every component other than the armor is factored into max repair and average maint cost calculations`. The other part of the maint life, the AFR, is a function of total ship size (and other stuff), thus everything on a ship affects that.
Posted by: Silvarelion
« on: August 28, 2020, 06:40:47 AM »

For those who are curious; here is my design.

Thank you to Iceranger and Somebody1212 for running down this bug
Posted by: xenoscepter
« on: August 28, 2020, 12:59:51 AM »

Quote from: Iceranger on August 27, 2020, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: TheTalkingMeowth on August 27, 2020, 07:23:21 PM
Wait, magazines don't have maintenance failures? I can't say I remember seeing one fail, but I'm pretty sure they get factored into the life and max repair calculations.

Yes, every component other than the armor is factored into max repair and maint life calculations. But some cannot fail.
In this sense, the maint life is not an accurate estimate either.

Negative. Armor is factored into Maintenance Life.
http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=11056.msg128800#msg128800
Posted by: Droll
« on: August 27, 2020, 11:13:54 PM »

A magazine maintenance failure would have a good chance of causing a magazine detonation - I think Steve thought that it wouldn't make a very compelling feature to have that randomly happen.
Posted by: Iceranger
« on: August 27, 2020, 07:27:56 PM »

Quote from: TheTalkingMeowth on August 27, 2020, 07:23:21 PM
Wait, magazines don't have maintenance failures? I can't say I remember seeing one fail, but I'm pretty sure they get factored into the life and max repair calculations.

Yes, every component other than the armor is factored into max repair and maint life calculations. But some cannot fail.
In this sense, the maint life is not an accurate estimate either.
Posted by: TheTalkingMeowth
« on: August 27, 2020, 07:23:21 PM »

Wait, magazines don't have maintenance failures? I can't say I remember seeing one fail, but I'm pretty sure they get factored into the life and max repair calculations.
Posted by: Froggiest1982
« on: August 27, 2020, 06:31:19 PM »

Quote from: Jorgen_CAB on August 27, 2020, 05:56:18 PM
Quote from: froggiest1982 on August 27, 2020, 05:49:19 PM
Quote from: Silvarelion on August 27, 2020, 04:19:35 PM
There was no component stated in the failure.

Max msp: 10,000.  Max repair: 100 (a single commercial engine).

can you please post your design?

Also, were there enough maint facilities to actually service the ship?
Well maintenance facilities don't work when you put the ship into a training facility.

Didnt see was on training, thanks.

I think Ice already found out what is actually going on.
Posted by: Iceranger
« on: August 27, 2020, 06:18:53 PM »

This is a new bug we just found:

http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=11565.msg140468#msg140468

Basically, maintenance failure roll cannot distinguish components that are already destroyed and the components that cannot fail (such as hangers, fuel tanks), and after 20 such failed rolls, the ship explodes.

This is extremely unlikely for regular ships where most of their components can have maint failure. But for large barge carriers that are mostly hangers, or military tankers/MSP supply ships/colliers (yes, surprisingly, magazines do not have maint failures), it can happen with a not insignificant chance.

Basically, 80% of the ship are hangers -> 1.15% chance of explosion each time maint failure is rolled
90% -> 12.16% chance
93% -> 23.42% chance
95% -> 35.85% chance
Posted by: Jorgen_CAB
« on: August 27, 2020, 05:56:18 PM »

Quote from: froggiest1982 on August 27, 2020, 05:49:19 PM
Quote from: Silvarelion on August 27, 2020, 04:19:35 PM
There was no component stated in the failure.

Max msp: 10,000.  Max repair: 100 (a single commercial engine).

can you please post your design?

Also, were there enough maint facilities to actually service the ship?

Well maintenance facilities don't work when you put the ship into a training facility.



To OP...

The ship will run its maintenance clock twice as fast so maintenance failures will happen allot more frequently and this will be felt even more so on a really large ship.

You must have wither run out of maintenance supplies or you have some really large component on the ship the max supplies on the ship can't handle, it would not blow up otherwise from a maintenance failure.
Posted by: Froggiest1982
« on: August 27, 2020, 05:49:19 PM »

Quote from: Silvarelion on August 27, 2020, 04:19:35 PM
There was no component stated in the failure.

Max msp: 10,000.  Max repair: 100 (a single commercial engine).

can you please post your design?

Also, were there enough maint facilities to actually service the ship?
Posted by: Silvarelion
« on: August 27, 2020, 04:19:35 PM »

There was no component stated in the failure.

Max msp: 10,000.  Max repair: 100 (a single commercial engine).
Posted by: Droll
« on: August 27, 2020, 03:38:45 PM »

What components failed, what is the max repair MSP of your carrier and what is "lots of msp" in numbers.

Also what was the AFR of your ships and how many eng bays for such a ship.