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Posted by: Froggiest1982
« on: November 19, 2024, 05:57:31 PM »

Also, honestly, replacing the graphics and buttons is not an art task, it's a graphic design task. Buttons should be readable and have a consistent style, and I think you're less likely to get a good result from AI than say, asking for community submissions. I'm sure someone would volunteer to do a pass over the button designs.

I'm always a little wary of asking for submissions, as I will have to turn down people if there are multiple submissions. Even if only one and I decide not to use it, it still seems like denigrating someone's efforts. However, if anyone does want to submit buttons and doesn't mind if I choose not to use them, then I would be very happy to take a look.

Hi Steve, can you provide guidelines such as image format, pixels and or any other relevant info? I might give it a go.
Posted by: jahwillprovide
« on: November 19, 2024, 11:42:02 AM »

It made me legitimately laugh out loud seeing all these AI only makes bad stuff comments and then you dropped those amazing ship photos. AI is here to stay as you said and technology exists to make man have to do less work. Thank you for embracing the present I use it to handle small work tasks as well.
Posted by: Steve Walmsley
« on: September 29, 2024, 11:32:00 AM »

Also, honestly, replacing the graphics and buttons is not an art task, it's a graphic design task. Buttons should be readable and have a consistent style, and I think you're less likely to get a good result from AI than say, asking for community submissions. I'm sure someone would volunteer to do a pass over the button designs.

I'm always a little wary of asking for submissions, as I will have to turn down people if there are multiple submissions. Even if only one and I decide not to use it, it still seems like denigrating someone's efforts. However, if anyone does want to submit buttons and doesn't mind if I choose not to use them, then I would be very happy to take a look.
Posted by: Desdinova
« on: September 29, 2024, 10:51:00 AM »

Also, honestly, replacing the graphics and buttons is not an art task, it's a graphic design task. Buttons should be readable and have a consistent style, and I think you're less likely to get a good result from AI than say, asking for community submissions. I'm sure someone would volunteer to do a pass over the button designs.
Posted by: Rezza
« on: September 29, 2024, 04:25:11 AM »

Speaking of the Solaris theme - where can I download it from? The forum page for it says there's a link to the zip file at the bottom of the first post but it's not there (at least, it's not showing for me).

I'm new to the game, just learning, but wanted to make it a bit easier on the eyes.
Posted by: Droll
« on: September 28, 2024, 08:11:50 PM »

I play with the Solaris theme mod which IMO has much better images for the main menu bar than what vanilla comes with. Idk if there is anything licensed in there but it might be worth taking a look at instead of using AI for those.

As for ship icons, I don't really know if it matters as has been mentioned in this thread before it sounds like most people who care already just use custom images, which doesn't exclude AI anyways.
Posted by: Garfunkel
« on: September 28, 2024, 06:42:08 PM »

Replacing the existing buttons and images that are from existing sci-fi franchises would be a good improvement. Beyond that, it doesn't really matter to me as I hardly use the images anyway. I have my head canon and that's that.
Posted by: Desdinova
« on: September 28, 2024, 12:36:57 PM »

Personally, I am philosophically opposed to AI 'art'.
Posted by: Steve Walmsley
« on: September 28, 2024, 11:12:44 AM »

As far as I'm piecing your intention here together is that you want to replace the tiny 90's style icons for ships and images we can select with generated ones, and maybe add a few more icon types for commander faces and such. Maybe give the UI icons an overhaul.

Doesn't seem like a big change; do whatever.


Much more interesting would be an integrated image generator for ship/missile designs, an overhauled iconized UI or visualizations of space battle results, but that, much like the idea for that dynamic commander portrait generator, seem beyond your intent in this thread. Correct?

Yes, short term its about overhauling the existing images used in-game. Longer-term, some kind of composite images for commanders would be possible, although tricker. I need to learn more about it. You can actually link to the AI online and generate images from your software, but there is a fee involved, so I don't plan to implement that.
Posted by: Zap0
« on: September 28, 2024, 11:04:28 AM »

As far as I'm piecing your intention here together is that you want to replace the tiny 90's style icons for ships and images we can select with generated ones, and maybe add a few more icon types for commander faces and such. Maybe give the UI icons an overhaul.

Doesn't seem like a big change; do whatever.


Much more interesting would be an integrated image generator for ship/missile designs, an overhauled iconized UI or visualizations of space battle results, but that, much like the idea for that dynamic commander portrait generator, seem beyond your intent in this thread. Correct?
Posted by: Kristover
« on: September 28, 2024, 08:48:21 AM »

I am intrigued by the idea.  I’ve actually never really cared for the included pix in Aurora because the flags and pics I recognize from other properties tend to pull me out of my head canon I create for my games - but honestly not so much that I care greatly and I can always change them if I get a particularly obnoxious combo.  Having an AI generated image even if it is lower quality would address that concern for me - ships and flags and race pics would be the things I would like to see.

Ultimately I would say do what you want - it’s your project and you are sharing it with us for free.  If a person is so turned off by the usage of AI generated art that they would drop Aurora then it isn’t like you are losing any income over it.  No one that comes here for a game like this which honestly you can’t really find anywhere else would leave over freepix anyways imho.
Posted by: paolot
« on: September 28, 2024, 08:42:18 AM »

Maybe I am "art-blind", but these images seem to me all the same.
The second with the fourth, and all the rest together.
Some details try to let them appear different. But I feel in them the same "underlying philosophy", even with their variability.
So, unfortunately, I don't like them (as for the images AI generated that I have seen until now (or, at least, the ones I knew were AI generated)).
If they will be implemented in the game, I hope we could choose to stay with traditional graphics and images.

Off-Topic: show

Off topic, maybe.
Look at these planes:
P-38, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-38_Lightning
U-2, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_U-2
F-104, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-104_Starfighter
SR-71, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird
They were all designed and drawn by the same person: Kelly Johnson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Johnson_(engineer)).
In my opinion, they prove how strong and adaptable the imagination of humanity can be.
I feel the actual state of AI (and I fear for many years to come still) is far, far away from this, because its development is driven by little or no artistic awareness.
Posted by: King-Salomon
« on: September 28, 2024, 08:18:34 AM »

I like the pictures :)

@ commander-pictures:

my dream would be a layer of parts that would create a commander-picture (like a very simplyfied 2D version of Crusader Kings 2 porträts), something like this:

- Uniform/Body (navy/army/admin - male/female - different ranks 1-10 or 1-X)
- faces (male/female - european/african/asian/polynesian etc - different faces - mayyyyyybe even 3 different ages per face)
- Hair (male/female - different hairstyles - different colors)
- Beards
- assessoirs (glases, ziggar...)

the commander picture would be generated with creation of the commander - like Uniformtype f15 - face asianf41-1 - hair f43

- the uniform layer would be updated with promotion
(- face would be updated with age of 40 & 80)

with this a lot of different commander portraits could be automatical disigned - the player could select/copy the Uniform/faces etc he prefers from different folders into a game folder - Steve wouldn't have to create the graphics, this could be done by the community - if Aurora would provide the mechanics for it

no idea if something like this would be doable with a manageable effort but I guess for commander portraits it whould provide the biggest diversity
Posted by: Steve Walmsley
« on: September 28, 2024, 06:33:39 AM »

Hi Steve, longtime player/lurker, first time poster.

I personally think this would be a terrible idea. AI art actively turns me off of projects that use it. I was critical of the original graphics of Shadow Empire, but somehow the AI portraits made it even worse. I was on the edge about buying Sins of a Solar Empire 2, and what ultimately made me hold off is the awful AI art they threw in everywhere. For me it just feels bad to spend time looking at images that nobody spent the time creating. Just soulless remixes of art that actually was created by human hands with intent. If you went through with this, I would be desperate for an option to restore the original graphics.

But beyond my personal preferences, I also just don't really see the practicality here. I don't think anyone is playing Aurora for the graphics, they're playing it for the amazing simulation and the gameplay that creates. You can already do so much with the existing customization options. I'm curious what benefit you're looking for here beyond going down the AI road for the sake of it.

Of course at the end of the day this is your project that you have blessed us all with, so if working with image generating algorithms is just something that makes you happy then who am I to tell you it's a bad idea. I just personally believe that sometimes less is more, and for me Aurora is already a pretty game to look at.

Nothing I add would prevent you using the existing art if that is preferable, or using your own creations. People already create their own art for all the things I am considering changing, plus commander portraits - if added - would be optional.

In terms of benefit (for me personally), I am already using some AI images in my current campaign - some created by me and some free content - so I am looking to improve the quality of images by accessing premium content and transforms.

For example, here is one of the AI images I generated myself using a free AI for ships of a potential Arachnid spoiler race I am considering.



Below are a few quick *low quality* example screenshots of some of the available content I am considering purchasing (there are thousands of them and they can be modified). For these types of images, you can use a better quality image than the picture above on various windows, but I can lift the ship only (removing the background and making it transparent), so you can use it as an icon on the Galactic map. For that matter, I can take a ship and create a completely different background, although that is more expensive in terms of processing cost. Theoretically, I could use the icons for all races on the tactical map, but I am concerned about clutter - maybe an optional popup icon if moused-over. I could also look to create related images, so they can be used a set for different classes.

As this technology progresses, imagination is going to be the limiting factor. For someone like me, who is terrible at graphics, the option to explain to an AI how to create and modify images, is going to be a game-changer. Obviously, its not good for graphic artists who don't want to use AI, but for those who do adopt it, their output is going to massively increase. If I decide to go ahead and pay for content, rather than tinkering as I have done so far, the creator of each image I download will receive a small amount (and from everyone else who uses it too).











Posted by: Amos Burton
« on: September 28, 2024, 04:57:27 AM »

Hi Steve, longtime player/lurker, first time poster.

I personally think this would be a terrible idea. AI art actively turns me off of projects that use it. I was critical of the original graphics of Shadow Empire, but somehow the AI portraits made it even worse. I was on the edge about buying Sins of a Solar Empire 2, and what ultimately made me hold off is the awful AI art they threw in everywhere. For me it just feels bad to spend time looking at images that nobody spent the time creating. Just soulless remixes of art that actually was created by human hands with intent. If you went through with this, I would be desperate for an option to restore the original graphics.

But beyond my personal preferences, I also just don't really see the practicality here. I don't think anyone is playing Aurora for the graphics, they're playing it for the amazing simulation and the gameplay that creates. You can already do so much with the existing customization options. I'm curious what benefit you're looking for here beyond going down the AI road for the sake of it.

Of course at the end of the day this is your project that you have blessed us all with, so if working with image generating algorithms is just something that makes you happy then who am I to tell you it's a bad idea. I just personally believe that sometimes less is more, and for me Aurora is already a pretty game to look at.