Posted by: ccasper
« on: May 16, 2010, 05:06:04 AM »Oh so i have put sensors on the carrier missile.
So basically less CIWS, more engines, sensor independence, and only one missile on the BB. Makes sence thanks. i didn't know about the flag bridge thanks :?This sounds similar to a bug that has been reported concerning drones not flying to waypoints. I think we are waiting for Steve to have a look and decide if it is a bug or not.
EDIT: They self destruct because they have no target or onboard sensors is it a design flaw of the MIRV, because the sword II missiles work fine
I just finished designing my newest battle fleet. I would like some constructive criticism. It is designed to deal with almost any threat i've encountered playing the game so far.Entirely to much maintenance on board. I'm assuming multiple maintance bays which belong on support ships not combat ships in my fleet structures.
First the main battleship:Code: [Select]Bristol class Battleship 25000 tons 1933 Crew 9390.1 BP TCS 500 TH 326.4 EM 8550
5440 km/s Armour 20-76 Shields 285-300 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 130 PPV 42
Annual Failure Rate: 125% IFR: 1.7% Maint Capacity 19390 MSP Max Repair 480 MSP Est Time: 7.54 Years
Magazine 1214
Inertial Confinement Fusion Drive E3 (17) Power 160 Fuel Use 30% Signature 19.2 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 600,000 Litres Range 144.0 billion km (306 days at full power)
Xi R300 Shields (57) Total Fuel Cost 855 Litres per day
CIWS-320 (4x10) Range 1000 km TS: 32000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
AMM Launcher (2) Missile Size 1 Rate of Fire 5
Size 10 Missile Launcher (2) Missile Size 10 Rate of Fire 45
Sword II Missile Launcher (10) Missile Size 4 Rate of Fire 90
Sword Fire Control 145mkm-700t (2) Range 145.2m km Resolution 14
AMM Fire Control 34,56mkm (1) Range 34.6m km Resolution 1
Sword II Anti-ship Missile (181) Speed: 53,100 km/s End: 47m Range: 149.9m km WH: 10 Size: 4 TH: 354 / 212 / 106
Micro Missile (160) Speed: 42,500 km/s End: 11.8m Range: 30m km WH: 5 Size: 1 TH: 340 / 204 / 102
Mayhem Missile (33) Speed: 33,700 km/s End: 68.1m Range: 157.8m km WH: 0 Size: 10 TH: 112 / 67 / 33
ECCM-4 (3) ECM 40
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
The missile escort:As with the BB the CIWS suite is too large. I'd cut it back to 1 considering the AMM quality and the Gauss density on the DE's.Code: [Select]Furious class Escort Cruiser 10000 tons 707 Crew 3514.9 BP TCS 200 TH 134.4 EM 3000
5600 km/s Armour 10-41 Shields 100-300 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 39 PPV 10
Annual Failure Rate: 88% IFR: 1.2% Maint Capacity 2977 MSP Max Repair 240 MSP Est Time: 4.79 Years
Magazine 1066
Inertial Confinement Fusion Drive E3 (7) Power 160 Fuel Use 30% Signature 19.2 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 240,000 Litres Range 144.0 billion km (297 days at full power)
Xi R300 Shields (20) Total Fuel Cost 300 Litres per day
CIWS-320 (3x10) Range 1000 km TS: 32000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
AMM Launcher (10) Missile Size 1 Rate of Fire 5
Missile Fire Control FC17-R1 (1) Range 17.3m km Resolution 1
Shield II Anti-missile Missile (1066) Speed: 62,500 km/s End: 4m Range: 15m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 1208 / 725 / 362
ECCM-4 (1) ECM 40
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
The destroyer escort:As with the other ships, too slow for the tech.Code: [Select]Weymouth class Destroyer Escort 7100 tons 595 Crew 2641.8 BP TCS 142 TH 96 EM 1500
5633 km/s Armour 5-32 Shields 50-300 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 11 PPV 75
Annual Failure Rate: 36% IFR: 0.5% Maint Capacity 2558 MSP Max Repair 288 MSP Est Time: 6.46 Years
Inertial Confinement Fusion Drive E3 (5) Power 160 Fuel Use 30% Signature 19.2 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 200,000 Litres Range 169.0 billion km (347 days at full power)
Xi R300 Shields (10) Total Fuel Cost 150 Litres per day
Twin Gauss Cannon R5-100 Turret (5x10) Range 50,000km TS: 31200 km/s Power 0-0 RM 5 ROF 5 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S04 60-32000 (1) Max Range: 120,000 km TS: 32000 km/s 92 83 75 67 58 50 42 33 25 17
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
The Command ship:To continue the theme...too slow..... too much maintance on board.. :wink: Without the Task Force staff in system your task force training is for naught. (ie orders delays that could be critical)Code: [Select]Hunt class Command Ship 23300 tons 1955 Crew 11291.9 BP TCS 466 TH 307.2 EM 7500
5493 km/s Armour 15-72 Shields 250-300 Sensors 720/720/0/0 Damage Control Rating 105 PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 96% IFR: 1.3% Maint Capacity 23631 MSP Max Repair 960 MSP Est Time: 6.64 Years
Inertial Confinement Fusion Drive E3 (16) Power 160 Fuel Use 30% Signature 19.2 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 600,000 Litres Range 154.5 billion km (325 days at full power)
Xi R300 Shields (50) Total Fuel Cost 750 Litres per day
CIWS-320 (5x10) Range 1000 km TS: 32000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
Active Search Sensor MR921-R40 (1) GPS 38400 Range 921.6m km Resolution 40
Active Search Sensor MR230-R10 (1) GPS 9600 Range 230.4m km Resolution 10
Active Search Sensor MR23-R1 (1) GPS 960 Range 23.0m km Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH30-720 (1) Sensitivity 720 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 720m km
EM Detection Sensor EM30-720 (1) Sensitivity 720 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 720m km
ECM 40
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
And the fleet jump ship that also serves as the emergency fuel and mainternance reseve:This is a support ship in my mind. With that I'd cut the armor to only about 4 layers for cya and drop the shields all together. Use the mass freed to increase the engines to 25 and add fuel to bring the tonnage back to 25k.Code: [Select]Exeter class Jump Tender 25000 tons 1755 Crew 7223.1 BP TCS 500 TH 326.4 EM 1950
5440 km/s JR 5-50 Armour 10-76 Shields 65-300 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 59 PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 84% IFR: 1.2% Maint Capacity 44654 MSP Max Repair 900 MSP Est Time: 10.32 Years
J25000(5-50) Military Jump Drive Max Ship Size 25000 tons Distance 50k km Squadron Size 5
Inertial Confinement Fusion Drive E3 (17) Power 160 Fuel Use 30% Signature 19.2 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 2,500,000 Litres Range 600.0 billion km (1276 days at full power)
Xi R300 Shields (13) Total Fuel Cost 195 Litres per day
CIWS-320 (2x10) Range 1000 km TS: 32000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
ECM 40
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
Quote from: "Hawkeye"Each FC can only target a single salvo at a time. If you get swamped by many small salvos, limiting your CE to one countersalve per increment can be a liability.this could be a real problem, will multiple ships help?
Also how effective are CIWS against missiles?
While the fleet has the ability to launch 80 missiles (counting the submunistions) per salvo, they won´t reach target together. That´s the main reason, I´d go with one type of launcher/missile. Either concentrate on the Sword II or go all out MIRVI haven't tought about that, i' will implent this in future designs but i'll keep this as it is for this test fleet.
Didn´t notice the warhead-5 on the micro missile. Could make sense to have a short range missile for short range combat. On the other hand, logistics is hard enough allready, no need to make it even more so by using three different ASMs in a single ship.
Each FC can only target a single salvo at a time. If you get swamped by many small salvos, limiting your CE to one countersalve per increment can be a liability.this could be a real problem, will multiple ships help?
I started form a conventional start and i'm curently 35 years into the game. This is my first missile oriented race so designed this fleet mostly as a test of the missile weaponry so i have a few different missile designs. Apart from some precursors and star swarm I haven't yet had any major battle and i have so far only use energy weapons due to missile system's complexity.
Yes the mayhem missile is a MIRV with 5 micro missiles, and as for the extra sword launchers i have planed to have at least 4 BB's in a fleet so it has the capability to launch a total of 80 missiles per wave, and the AMM launcher on the bb is intended for short range conficts and isn't ment for missile defence, i just used the same launcher as the CE, and the FC is a leftover from a PDC AMM design.
Why does the CE need multiple FC's?
I have planed for at least 6 DE's in the fleet.
Bristol class Battleship 25000 tons 1933 Crew 9390.1 BP TCS 500 TH 326.4 EM 8550
5440 km/s Armour 20-76 Shields 285-300 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 130 PPV 42
Annual Failure Rate: 125% IFR: 1.7% Maint Capacity 19390 MSP Max Repair 480 MSP Est Time: 7.54 Years
Magazine 1214
Inertial Confinement Fusion Drive E3 (17) Power 160 Fuel Use 30% Signature 19.2 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 600,000 Litres Range 144.0 billion km (306 days at full power)
Xi R300 Shields (57) Total Fuel Cost 855 Litres per day
CIWS-320 (4x10) Range 1000 km TS: 32000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
AMM Launcher (2) Missile Size 1 Rate of Fire 5
Size 10 Missile Launcher (2) Missile Size 10 Rate of Fire 45
Sword II Missile Launcher (10) Missile Size 4 Rate of Fire 90
Sword Fire Control 145mkm-700t (2) Range 145.2m km Resolution 14
AMM Fire Control 34,56mkm (1) Range 34.6m km Resolution 1
Sword II Anti-ship Missile (181) Speed: 53,100 km/s End: 47m Range: 149.9m km WH: 10 Size: 4 TH: 354 / 212 / 106
Micro Missile (160) Speed: 42,500 km/s End: 11.8m Range: 30m km WH: 5 Size: 1 TH: 340 / 204 / 102
Mayhem Missile (33) Speed: 33,700 km/s End: 68.1m Range: 157.8m km WH: 0 Size: 10 TH: 112 / 67 / 33
ECCM-4 (3) ECM 40
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
The missile escort:Furious class Escort Cruiser 10000 tons 707 Crew 3514.9 BP TCS 200 TH 134.4 EM 3000
5600 km/s Armour 10-41 Shields 100-300 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 39 PPV 10
Annual Failure Rate: 88% IFR: 1.2% Maint Capacity 2977 MSP Max Repair 240 MSP Est Time: 4.79 Years
Magazine 1066
Inertial Confinement Fusion Drive E3 (7) Power 160 Fuel Use 30% Signature 19.2 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 240,000 Litres Range 144.0 billion km (297 days at full power)
Xi R300 Shields (20) Total Fuel Cost 300 Litres per day
CIWS-320 (3x10) Range 1000 km TS: 32000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
AMM Launcher (10) Missile Size 1 Rate of Fire 5
Missile Fire Control FC17-R1 (1) Range 17.3m km Resolution 1
Shield II Anti-missile Missile (1066) Speed: 62,500 km/s End: 4m Range: 15m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 1208 / 725 / 362
ECCM-4 (1) ECM 40
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
The destroyer escort:Weymouth class Destroyer Escort 7100 tons 595 Crew 2641.8 BP TCS 142 TH 96 EM 1500
5633 km/s Armour 5-32 Shields 50-300 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 11 PPV 75
Annual Failure Rate: 36% IFR: 0.5% Maint Capacity 2558 MSP Max Repair 288 MSP Est Time: 6.46 Years
Inertial Confinement Fusion Drive E3 (5) Power 160 Fuel Use 30% Signature 19.2 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 200,000 Litres Range 169.0 billion km (347 days at full power)
Xi R300 Shields (10) Total Fuel Cost 150 Litres per day
Twin Gauss Cannon R5-100 Turret (5x10) Range 50,000km TS: 31200 km/s Power 0-0 RM 5 ROF 5 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S04 60-32000 (1) Max Range: 120,000 km TS: 32000 km/s 92 83 75 67 58 50 42 33 25 17
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
The Command ship:Hunt class Command Ship 23300 tons 1955 Crew 11291.9 BP TCS 466 TH 307.2 EM 7500
5493 km/s Armour 15-72 Shields 250-300 Sensors 720/720/0/0 Damage Control Rating 105 PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 96% IFR: 1.3% Maint Capacity 23631 MSP Max Repair 960 MSP Est Time: 6.64 Years
Inertial Confinement Fusion Drive E3 (16) Power 160 Fuel Use 30% Signature 19.2 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 600,000 Litres Range 154.5 billion km (325 days at full power)
Xi R300 Shields (50) Total Fuel Cost 750 Litres per day
CIWS-320 (5x10) Range 1000 km TS: 32000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
Active Search Sensor MR921-R40 (1) GPS 38400 Range 921.6m km Resolution 40
Active Search Sensor MR230-R10 (1) GPS 9600 Range 230.4m km Resolution 10
Active Search Sensor MR23-R1 (1) GPS 960 Range 23.0m km Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH30-720 (1) Sensitivity 720 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 720m km
EM Detection Sensor EM30-720 (1) Sensitivity 720 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 720m km
ECM 40
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
And the fleet jump ship that also serves as the emergency fuel and mainternance reseve:Exeter class Jump Tender 25000 tons 1755 Crew 7223.1 BP TCS 500 TH 326.4 EM 1950
5440 km/s JR 5-50 Armour 10-76 Shields 65-300 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 59 PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 84% IFR: 1.2% Maint Capacity 44654 MSP Max Repair 900 MSP Est Time: 10.32 Years
J25000(5-50) Military Jump Drive Max Ship Size 25000 tons Distance 50k km Squadron Size 5
Inertial Confinement Fusion Drive E3 (17) Power 160 Fuel Use 30% Signature 19.2 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 2,500,000 Litres Range 600.0 billion km (1276 days at full power)
Xi R300 Shields (13) Total Fuel Cost 195 Litres per day
CIWS-320 (2x10) Range 1000 km TS: 32000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
ECM 40
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes