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Posted by: shadenight123
« on: December 07, 2011, 12:43:44 PM »

"we could generate a batch of mindless clones" is suggested by the original.
who is told to be The Original, the ruling force of the galactical neo-italy himself.
what is not know is that it's simply a clone of The Original, as the Original is hiding inside a safe house in the depth of the Vesuvio.
"or declare a specific area completely neutral, with automated machines to install those triggers."
is added then.
"but i'd too rather not deal into revealing our Clusters missiles." he adds.
Posted by: Panopticon
« on: December 07, 2011, 12:33:39 PM »

The American Dominion will happily sign a treaty prohibiting the use of nuclear weapons on Earth, but will not permit outside inspectors into our most secure of locations, nor will we permit safeties outside of our direct control to be installed. The very idea is madness.
Posted by: Destra
« on: December 07, 2011, 11:21:48 AM »

"While the idea is a good one, who's to say that if we take those tiggers that they would even be installed into the missiles? If you are even thinking of gaining access to the Veils missile stock then you have another thing coming. No inspector will ever lay eyes on our missiles. You would only have our and any other nation who doesn't want their missile silos exposed, word for it."
Posted by: ardem
« on: December 07, 2011, 06:42:04 AM »

Embassy of the League of NSNs. Charles Waverly addresses the forum, however he has noticed the number of seat empty to which he smiles disappointingly at.

I would like to thanks the supports of the League in particular the Antarctican Harbour for it kind words.

Our charter is simple, this planet is our only habitable planet and we want to make sure the planet is sustainable and is not destroyed by power and reckless use of technology.

We would like to see an end to all Earth bound missile technology of mass destruction, we do understand its peaceful purposes in space. But the need for ICBM and TN missile technology as a threat to this planet is too great.

We would propose a treaty that ensures missile technology made on earth to have a trigger switch that cannot be detonated on Earth or in the altitude of Earth, of course the installation and trigger assembly may be made by an independent body from all nation to oversee the project.

We understand this is a great leap of faith for all nations, but at the very least we could start with a simple promise. A treaty that no missiles of mass destruction will be used on Earth. Conventional and TN forces to resolve disputes or issues within the planet.

Our stance on nations that are recovering, we will open our arms and support any nation in the league and provide defence personnel, but we cannot interfere in another countries politics or internal issues. So in the case of Mexico they have refused to join the league so our hands are bound. History has too many time the promise of a saviour only to be a new type of tyranny.

We have already started to work with so TN nations we look forward to working with others in the future.
Posted by: Destra
« on: December 06, 2011, 11:57:47 AM »

"As the nation who suffered the attack of the horde, the mexico issue will be dealt with swiftly before it becomes a danger to us all. You will thank us when you do not get nuked."
Posted by: Naismith
« on: December 06, 2011, 08:40:48 AM »

The ENC agrees that a secret vote is not required. This is simply a place for open discussion and our opinions should be public unless there is a clear reason it should be otherwise.

It is our belief that the League of Non-Spacefaring Nations should be given a voice here to speak on any subject they feel concerns them.
Although it should be noted that that voice may not carry much weight in matters beyond Earth orbit.

Also since the topic of Mexico has been raised, the Empire of New Canada would like to take this opportunity to offer the government of Mexico our assistance in dealing with these criminals. The Horde has taught us that issues such as these are a concern to all nations and must be dealt with before they get out hand.
Posted by: Panopticon
« on: December 06, 2011, 05:12:14 AM »

At no point have objections been raised to the League having an embassy and a voice here. The AD only objects if the League chooses to attempt to influence our policy in areas in which it has no interest, such as space exploration. We welcome additional voices in discussion of Terran issues, but must reiterate that the embassies here do not constitute an administrative organization, and does not set policy for humanity at large. Nothing discussed in this forum has the force of law behind it, only the policies of individual nations.

On the topic, what has the league done to strengthen non TN nations on Earth? The Horde was destroyed by the combined efforts of the TN nations, and if left unchecked would have destroyed at least one of the Leagues current members, the League has yet to even speak on the situation in Mexico, which the AD is currently forming plans to resolve, and how does it intend to help its member nations should another Vault open? Ask for help? If the League wishes to be viewed as a serious power, it must actually take action at some point, currently all we have heard is condemnation of the TN nations for annexing territories and expanding into space.
Posted by: Vynadan
« on: December 06, 2011, 03:09:17 AM »

2048

Ambassador Sun Wu Shan of the Antarctican Harbour adresses the current issue with The League of NSN:

"We have to speak in favour of The League and their request to join the other currently significiant nations in the Chicxulub Embassies. It is understandable how many trans-newtonian nations are currently averse to this request, but there is no doubt for us, that The League must be given a voice.

They have shown in their commentary that they wish to speak out for their own interests here on Earth, something that simply cannot be denied to them. Even with our common utilisation of trans-newtonian minerals, we all still inhabit this planet and our political decisions impact humanity's birthplace equally as strong as other planets within Sol that now feature human presence.
It is true that The League has no interest in interplanetary flight, but this gathering here is not solely focused on such, either. The League is well aware of this, and should remain silent in everything that goes beyond Earth and perhaps Luna orbit, but they nervertheless have reason to be represented here for all terran matters.

We cannot forget that despite today's situation, only about half of Earth's surface is actually claimed by trans-newtonian nations. The League and yet unclaimed territory make up a large portion of our plant's area and populace. Furthermore, the former nations which The League represents have held their own during the Invader invasion and indirectly aided the struggle of all others.

In regards to military means, we do not wish to indulge further into this topic at the moment. We are well aware that every nation, be it trans-newtonian or not, will point out its military strength and do so with vigor. A 'fair' comparison of this military might won't be achieved until war - and that should be no goal from any of us."
Posted by: Destra
« on: December 05, 2011, 03:54:19 PM »

"We must agree with AD's ambassator, while a vote to allow them to speak here could be had, the veil wishes to have no involvement of the league in our activities, on planet or off. Should you wish to consult a secret vote, do so you all know our place. On a side note, should the league feel our statement is unsatisfactory and wish to push the issue with force, we are of course ready to respond in kind."
Posted by: Panopticon
« on: December 05, 2011, 03:19:09 PM »

The AD sees no need for a vote, moreover a vote would be pointless. This forum is not an administrative body, merely a place for our ambassadors to meet and negotiate with each other, we don't even have the influence the old UN had before the Invaders.

If Neo Italy is proposing we form such a body then that is a discussion we can have, however the statements made so far should represent nothing more than our respective national policy.
Posted by: shadenight123
« on: December 05, 2011, 02:54:30 PM »

[ooc]made a post in game discussion for a suggestion...but if you prefer public decision[/ooc]

Neo italy mantains a completely neutral attitude. Simply not deciding on a vote but suggesting:
"voting matters should be done in neutrality and anonymous conditions to avoid intimidation, attrition among states, and to guarantee fairness. For that purpose, Galactical neo Italy is more than ready to take on the role of neutral scrutiny party and attest the votes, which in their anonymity would be delivered inside prepared rooms of the neo italians ambassy at the crater...if you prefer public announcements however, wherever the rest votes for free will or to avoid conflict lies in doubt and might lead to annulment of vote..." is politely stated.
Posted by: Panopticon
« on: December 05, 2011, 02:49:10 PM »

The American Dominion is in complete agreement, if the League of Non TN Nations manages to get off world, then it may have a voice in those areas.

Furthermore, the League's very existence and name is confrontational and appears directly in opposition to the goals of the nations of this assembly. Humanity barely survived it's first encounter with Trans-Newtonian technology, Israel, one of the League member states, only survives today due to the intervention of a TN nation, and the League desires that we ignore this option? That way lies extinction. The AD makes no commitment to respect the views of the League in regards to any TN issue until or unless major changes in attitude occur.

The AD does however acknowledge the League as a nation with all the rights and responsibilities thereof in regards to on planet activities. And will respect their territories for the time being, as well as allowing trade, tourism, and immigration at our new city in Brazil.

Posted by: Destra
« on: December 05, 2011, 02:20:08 PM »

"The Veil would like to simply state, no, the league of Non TN nations cannot have a voice in our affairs off world. They have no stake in anything that happens off earth. They shall not have a voice here."
Posted by: Destra
« on: November 28, 2011, 11:29:05 AM »

"The veil would like to publicly thank AH for their assistance with the horde, the attack was not required but appreciated."
Posted by: Vynadan
« on: November 25, 2011, 10:03:48 AM »

Late 2046

One would have expected some form of commentary from the Antarctican Harbour regarding their intervention in Europe with the Horde. However, the elderly embassador - now nearing his 80ths birthday - had retired earlier this year. While it is the general assumption that it was because of his high age, no official statement was ever given.
Surprisingly, it had taken the better portion of the year for the Antarctican Harbour before a new ambassador was appointed to the Chicxulub Embassies, as the government down south apparently failed to do so prior to the old ambassador's retirement. Dubious voices blamed this on a change in international politics brought by the new Prime Minister Kuznetsova.

Regardless, the new ambassador moved into the Antarctican building in Chicxulub come october. Sun Wu Shan formally introduced himself in a lengthy speech to the embassies in fluent English, during which he also adressed several announcements now officialy made by the Antarctican Harbour.

Excerpts:
"... which brings me to the recent happenings in Europe, or more specifically the Horde. Several news agencies have reported about Antarctica's military operation and it is now, almost half a year later, due time for us to officially comment on them. While we certainly had no interest in interfering with Shadowveil or American Dominion matters, we felt the time to strike the Horde was right. The events of 2045 did show that despite their combined efforts the Horde was merely fought back with losses on both sides. Favourable circumstances - among them the brave fighting of the previous year - lead to our decision to finish the obviously aggressive and intolerant warband ..."

"... Another matter is the existance of The League and the non-TN nations that make it up. Although the Antarctican Harbour has previously annexed the area of pre-Invader Brazil, we hold no ill will against the unity that these remnants of the previous Earth represent. In fact, we officially acknowledge the sovereign existance of The League as an alliance of equally sovereign nations of Earth, with all entitlements that come with nationhood. We further urge all TN nations to think twice about any actions against the states that form up The League, as they would trespass the sovereignity of a fellow country. Further, we wish to encourage any other TN nation to follow our example and officially acknowledge the soverignity of The League. Besides, similiar to Brazil, there are countless so far nationless territories on Earth that require more help and provide better opportunities for expansion than aggressive actions against The League ..."

The apparently Chinese ambassador is surprisingly young with his twenty-eight years. Despite his age, he formerly held the rank of Brigadier General in the Antarctican Harbour Army, although no detailed records of him are publicated by the embassy. Unconfirmed rumours tell of him as the commander of a unit during the attack on the Horde and others again blame his presence there for his inability to take over the embassy earlier this year, despite the obvious time gap in between.