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Posted by: Erik L
« on: December 13, 2012, 07:00:21 PM »

quote author=Garfunkel link=topic=5721.msg59041#msg59041 date=1355445589]
Of course, Aurora allows you to be God-Emperor of Mankind and move every last street urchin off the planet if you so wish  :)
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Can I have another bowl of space porridge mister?
Posted by: Garfunkel
« on: December 13, 2012, 06:39:49 PM »

Leaving the Homeworld completely behind would be a gigantic psychological and social issue. Even when facing a total nuclear winter, some people would select to remain behind. Without such motivations, millions of people would rather remain in family-tribal-national lands, instead of going to space, no matter how much "better" that other place would be. Or that's my thought on it.

Of course, Aurora allows you to be God-Emperor of Mankind and move every last street urchin off the planet if you so wish  :)
Posted by: MWadwell
« on: December 12, 2012, 06:20:35 PM »

Quote from: Beersatron on December 12, 2012, 09:56:00 AM
I quite liked one of Steve's previous games where the NATO/Western faction terraformed 3 or 4 planets/moons in a nearby system and then gradually moved everything from Earth to that system. Ended up having a badass setup with everything nice and compact and very very secure.

But, the reason they moved was because there was radiation and dust problems on Earth because of bombardment and also the other factions where a credible threat to the Navy and Shipyards.

Exactly!

Given that Earth doesn't have that problem, do you think all of the humans will migrate out of Sol?

Or will there still be (as per Gyrafalcon) a token presense?
Posted by: Beersatron
« on: December 12, 2012, 09:56:00 AM »

I quite liked one of Steve's previous games where the NATO/Western faction terraformed 3 or 4 planets/moons in a nearby system and then gradually moved everything from Earth to that system. Ended up having a badass setup with everything nice and compact and very very secure.

But, the reason they moved was because there was radiation and dust problems on Earth because of bombardment and also the other factions where a credible threat to the Navy and Shipyards.
Posted by: Gyrfalcon
« on: December 12, 2012, 02:05:30 AM »

I don't think anyone would, short of cataclysmic upheaval or a radically alien psychology among the Venusians or the Martians.  In each case, the majority of the population is based on the planet of their species' birth, and even if most of the population moved out to colonies, I would think the species would keep a caretaker population and a strong military on their homeworld rather then let another species claim it.
Posted by: MWadwell
« on: December 12, 2012, 12:34:50 AM »

G'Day All,

I've just had a thought. Normally, with multiple nations all starting on the same planet, there a big push to get the majority of the empire off Earth prior to running out of TN metals or a major war starts.

However, with all of the main empires starting on different planets, there is less of the same urgency that you'd see in one of Steve's games.

I know that for the short term (at least until a serious number of colony transports are built) a majority of everyone's populations are goig to be based in Sol - but what about the future?

Quick question - who thinks that any of the major empires will completely evacuate Sol when they get to a decent size? If so, who will go and who won't? (For example, I think that the venusians will be the least likely to emigrate.)
 
Posted by: Icecoon
« on: December 10, 2012, 03:54:18 AM »

They will catch up, but only if Sol will not become a kindergarten for a swarm queen. ;D
Posted by: Garfunkel
« on: December 09, 2012, 08:28:26 PM »

Ohhoho, things are heating up on two fronts! Excellent!
Posted by: MWadwell
« on: December 09, 2012, 07:31:08 PM »

Quote from: Icecoon on December 09, 2012, 07:38:47 AM
I think, that in long term the Martians will loose their technical advantage. There are around 80 research facilities on Earth and around 70 on Venus, but on Mars they have only around 50 iirc.
The Martians are overconfident. In the long term the British and the Venusians will catch up.

PS. Good reading. :)

I agree, pretty soon the venusians will lose their tech advantage.

With the apes having 70 research facilities, the lizards having 50, but the martians only having 31, it's only a matter of time....

Re: PS. - I also agree!

Posted by: Steve Walmsley
« on: December 09, 2012, 06:22:02 PM »

Quote from: Nathan_ on December 09, 2012, 06:14:49 PM
I'm somewhat surprised that the British gave up io, especially without getting anything from the martians in return for exclusivity over jupiter. Also, the Venusians are going to be wildly outmatched in any kind of fight for a long time against their foe, the ai is smart enough to avoid knife fighting and hold range when it can, and those small ships have surprisingly long range weaponry for beams.

The British don't really care about Jupiter now as all their fuel harvesters are in another system.

Steve
Posted by: Nathan_
« on: December 09, 2012, 06:14:49 PM »

I'm somewhat surprised that the British gave up io, especially without getting anything from the martians in return for exclusivity over jupiter. Also, the Venusians are going to be wildly outmatched in any kind of fight for a long time against their foe, the ai is smart enough to avoid knife fighting and hold range when it can, and those small ships have surprisingly long range weaponry for beams.
Posted by: sublight
« on: December 09, 2012, 07:39:08 AM »

Quote from: MWadwell on December 09, 2012, 05:17:44 AM
The humans are outmassed, outteched, and have a inconsistent tech level (eg ships speeds) across their fleet. In fact, aside from an increase in size, the only change to the human ships is the greater speeds from the better engines (i.e. their missile launchers, sensors, fire control, etc have not improved) - and so the tech imbalance hasn't changed since the start....

Disagree on tech imbalance change. For a missile fleet, the speed improvement (which also allows improved ASM and AMM designs) has noticeably eaten away at the Martian tech lead. Not bad for only 5 years. At this rate British and Martian ships might be equal in another 15.
Posted by: Icecoon
« on: December 09, 2012, 07:38:47 AM »

I think, that in long term the Martians will loose their technical advantage. There are around 80 research facilities on Earth and around 70 on Venus, but on Mars they have only around 50 iirc.
The Martians are overconfident. In the long term the British and the Venusians will catch up.

PS. Good reading. :)
Posted by: MWadwell
« on: December 09, 2012, 05:23:21 AM »

Quote from: Panopticon on December 08, 2012, 11:34:54 AM
These developments give hope for Venus really, Mars is too powerful for Earth to balance alone thus far, which give incentive to keep Venus around. Which means they should have time to tech up. Of course, interfering aliens could throw all this off, but I think they have a better shot now.

I agree - they really benefitted from the humans installing a jump gate for them - no need to put jump engines on all of their commercial ships and it got them another system to exploit years ahead of when they would have been able to....

I'm cautiously optomistic about the venusians surviving to the long term now.....
Posted by: MWadwell
« on: December 09, 2012, 05:17:44 AM »

Quote from: Bremen on December 08, 2012, 04:49:57 PM
I'm pretty sure if it came to war the Martians could handle Earth and Venus combined pretty easily, since Earth has been neglecting its fleet and the Venus fleet is an exclusively beam armed force that is slower than the Martian, longer ranged beam armed force. Lucky for them Mars doesn't seem interested in genocide.

Also, I think the Lizards are going to get their reptilian asses kicked by their new neighbors :P It's a fine day to be rooting for the Martians :)

I agree.

The humans are outmassed, outteched, and have a inconsistent tech level (eg ships speeds) across their fleet. In fact, aside from an increase in size, the only change to the human ships is the greater speeds from the better engines (i.e. their missile launchers, sensors, fire control, etc have not improved) - and so the tech imbalance hasn't changed since the start....

The Lizards are even more outmassed and outteched, and would be easy meat for the chinese venusians.