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Posted by: Jorgen_CAB
« on: April 07, 2015, 08:35:03 AM »

Yes... that is also what I usually do later on in the game. Larger groups of ships get their own admiral or Commodore.

I would just like to be able to link TF in a hierarchy as well and have some benefit or at least just a linked tree in the organizational tab for immersion sake.

I rarely find it problematic to find officers a home after nations start building a proper navy. Each fighter or recon craft get a Lt.Commander assigned, smaller ships a Commander and bigger ships get their captains and sometimes a commodore for very large ships.

Once the navy is developed I give Commodores the role of task-force leaders at the Flag bridge of a command ship. Rear Admirals in my campaigns are almost always system administrators and lead system defenses. So a Commodore is under the command of the system admiral unless a conflict warrants the presence of a Fleet Admiral.

I would like to assign Fleets with Commodores to the administration below Fleet Admirals in charge of Sector wide fleet operation where the Commodores are more of a tactical tool rather than a strategical tool.

The major problem I have with how TG work is that they are very strict and only ships in the same spot belong to them... a single scour craft is its own task-group.

It would be nice if there were some more defined way to do it with the Organizational tool in the game... perhaps assign leaders using that tool would be one way to do it.
Posted by: Paul M
« on: April 06, 2015, 01:23:48 AM »

If you are more liberal with your flag bridges you could do this to your hearts content and simply call TGs TFs...

But you hit a small issue with the ranks in Aurora...the lowest rank is Lt. Commander, that is generally speaking either a division head on a capital ship or else the first officer or commander of a smaller ship.  That is the ground force equivelent to a captain.  So a lot of what you are asking for is handled in the real world by Lts of various grades which aren't in Aurora anyway.

The academy is more "leadership school" or "staff officer training" then it is where fresh officers come out...that is Ensigns and the like.  The age of the new officers is well younge...Lt. Commanders are likely closer to 31 years old then 21 years old.  21 is also very young for scientists and adminstrators...4+2+3=9+18=27 is minimium for Ph.Ds.  and Admistrators are likely 18+4+1= 23 years old (MBAs).

Posted by: Jorgen_CAB
« on: April 05, 2015, 02:28:18 PM »

Quote from: sloanjh on April 05, 2015, 09:58:03 AM
Task Force bonuses apply (IIRC) to all ships in the TF that are in the same system as the TF commander.  Is that what you're asking for?

John

Oh... I was talking about TG commanders not TF commanders...  ;)
Posted by: sloanjh
« on: April 05, 2015, 09:58:03 AM »

Quote from: Jorgen_CAB on April 04, 2015, 07:15:42 AM
Basically any ship that are designated as escorts or similar should still be part of the same TF.

Task Force bonuses apply (IIRC) to all ships in the TF that are in the same system as the TF commander.  Is that what you're asking for?

John
Posted by: Jorgen_CAB
« on: April 04, 2015, 07:15:42 AM »

Quote from: Erik Luken on April 02, 2015, 08:40:16 AM
Technically, that is what task groups are for.

The problem is that it does not work if the task-force is not in the exact same spot. TF commander should be able to control escorts slightly away or groups that is slightly split up.

Basically any ship that are designated as escorts or similar should still be part of the same TF.
Posted by: Vandermeer
« on: April 03, 2015, 12:06:36 PM »

Yepp, that was in Solar War. On the plus side you can now assign commanders to manage colonies, so they get at least something to do with their skills.
Posted by: MarcAFK
« on: April 03, 2015, 09:38:01 AM »

I think he's still talking about Solar War.
Posted by: Erik L
« on: April 03, 2015, 08:23:38 AM »

Quote from: Vandermeer on April 02, 2015, 09:49:34 PM
I today tested that game again, and it seems after all the updates you cannot assign captains to aiding commands anymore,
What is the rank of your TG commander?
Posted by: Vandermeer
« on: April 02, 2015, 09:49:34 PM »

I today tested that game again, and it seems after all the updates you cannot assign captains to aiding commands anymore, leaving me with around 6 wasted level 90 geniuses that I falsely promoted for their high skill.
Also I have the U.S. and China sending me their "highly skilled" replacement officers who are completely incompetent. A Commodore(!) with 0 leadership and highest skill 23, really?
Since you cannot fire anyone, I now have swift frigate "deathboats" who get commanded by such slacker officers to form a vanguard meat-shield.


The posts above mentioned two times that the number of support officers could be dynamic. I don't know if that wouldn't be making things to complex later on, because I have no idea how bonuses would work in that regard. In the end a single really talented officer might not even matter anymore, as everything gets flattened out by statistical average. Maybe it could be so that there is still only one real leading officer for each sector, and then a continuous sub-staff who contribute only a bit, and might even get clipped in gains if the leading officer isn't competent enough. This would keep intact that Star Trek feeling, where many small officers may run around, but there are is still only one Lt.Commander or Commander who leads an area and gives it his fingerprint.
Alternatively, maybe sub-staff could even not give bonuses at all, but only influence if an increased failure rate happens or not with their skill degree.
Anyway, in theory that 4(or something) spot system would already be enough for me. Just something to do for the lower ranks at least.
Posted by: Erik L
« on: April 02, 2015, 08:40:16 AM »

Quote from: Jorgen_CAB on April 02, 2015, 07:49:30 AM
I also think that you should be able to link fleet commands and have sector wide fleets above system fleets. Here chain of command could give some bonuses and at lest some purpose to high ranking admirals.

Technically, that is what task groups are for.
Posted by: Jorgen_CAB
« on: April 02, 2015, 07:49:30 AM »

I think that most people would like such a feature.

For simplicity the sub commander role on ships could increase with the crew count on them. So a ship with for example 25-50 crew would have the captain and one sub commander. 50-100 two sub commanders 100-200 three sub commander. 200-300 four sub commander. 300-500 five sub commanders etc... with less sub commander for per crew members the further you go.
Instead of just giving bonuses you could make it so that if positions is not fielded you will get penalties... or some such.

I also think that you should be able to link fleet commands and have sector wide fleets above system fleets. Here chain of command could give some bonuses and at lest some purpose to high ranking admirals.
Posted by: xeryon
« on: April 02, 2015, 07:45:23 AM »

I feel like an implementation of this would be relatively simple as well.  Officer assignments would be tied to ship modules.  All ships get a CO.  The total tonnage of military craft would determine the minimum rank.  Each xx quantity of hull space for engineering spaces allows for engineering officers, same thing for tactical officers where xx amount of hull space in search sensors and fire controls allows for them.  Any craft requiring more than one person to pilot it would get a navigation officer (co-pilot).  An extremely large ship would potentially have several engineering officers, a large area defense destroyer with several fire controls and search sensors would have a few tactical officers.
Posted by: MarcAFK
« on: April 02, 2015, 05:58:21 AM »

Excellent suggestion.
Posted by: Rich.h
« on: April 02, 2015, 05:24:21 AM »

This would make the game great, I have always spent time trying to think about who is on the bridge of my starships, and all the while wondering why I had hundreds of rank 1 officers doing nothing. I tried changing things around once by building academies until I reached a point where I could get 1 rank 8 officer. What I ended up with were well over 1000 rank 1 officers needed to support the top brass. I simply could not even fathom how long it would take my game to expand to be large enough that I would have so many ships to use these officers on. But having something like the op would be great, you could go back to basics and start with ensigns and assign them a bridge position in light of training them up for their first command years later etc.
Posted by: Vandermeer
« on: April 01, 2015, 09:13:25 PM »

Oh, no, forgive mine. I wanted to mention the name, but forgot. It is from the rather small unknown niche game Solar War.
The assignment mechanic is the best thing about it I think. The rest is ok, but nothing exceptional. Very similar to Aurora in matters of "space travel enabling trans newtonian resources" and still relatively slow travel. Officers have some detail about them and earn badges etc. (though you cannot personally assign any).
It is made by one guy it seems, and it shows in lack of, hmm, volume?

//edit: I should have mentioned it only plays in Sol sadly.