Posted by: Sheb
« on: July 07, 2016, 03:22:51 AM »Just to make things clear, DSTS only provide passive sensor coverage, you'll need an active somewhere to paint the target for the PDC to fire.
Posted by: iceball3
« on: July 06, 2016, 10:01:15 PM »So PDC still need actives as well as deep space tracking devices, yes? And hangars need maintenance storage and fuel tanks?-PDCs do need an active sensor bead on a target to engage. However, any active sensor contact on them from your empire will do. So you can have a PDC fleet with only one or two dedicated active sensor PDCs, with no sensors to speak of on the others, if you want. Deep space tracking stations are much more stronger than any particular sensor you'd stick on a PDC, however the sensors on your PDCs won't get destroyed by indirect planetary bombardment, so you could stick a few sensors on one as an emergency backup, if you so please.
And could you share some of your own builds and general rules of thumb? I really want to get it right the first time so I don't have to go replacing all the PDCs throughout my empire.
On that note, can yo replace things like the missile fire control and actives without leveling the entire base?
-Hangars on PDCs are currently only good for flight reloads, refueling, and storage. They cannot repair ships that do not have their own internal maintenance storage, because the inability to put engineering spaces automagically sets the maintenance supply capacity of PDCs to 0, even if you use maintenance storage bays. So if you want to fix your fighters, you'll either need to stick them in a ship-based hangar, or scrap and replace them.
-There is a dropbox in the Industry tab of the Population and Production window that lends to the refitting of PDCs, but checking it now, I'm not so sure if it works.
In terms of rules of thumb, I haven't really set many yet, but it's worth noting that you have a bit more design freedom on PDCs, and if you (ab)use PDC specific bonuses and the fact they never need maintenance, you can probably make some pretty unique designs. In fact, I'll post the Final Fire Point Defense PDCs I've designed.
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Ark-Zetu Mark I "Aurora" class Point Defence Base 475 tons 22 Crew 95 BP TCS 9.5 TH 0 EM 0
Armour 5-5 Sensors 1/0 Damage Control Rating 0 PPV 6.6
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months Spare Berths 2
Single R1.5/C1 HVS Meson Field Generator Mount (1x1) Range 15 000km TS: 48000 km/s Power 3-1 RM 1.5 ROF 15 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
CIWS-HV Fire Control S01.5 32-48000 (FTR) (1) Max Range: 64 000 km TS: 48000 km/s 84 69 53 37 22 6 0 0 0 0
STR Micro-Fusion Reactor Plant PB-1 (1) Total Power Output 1.2 Armour 0 Exp 5%
This design is classed as a Planetary Defence Centre and can be pre-fabricated in 1 sections
Something to note:-This was at roughly Ion Drive tech, without specializing Fire Control or Turret Gear techs.
-Speaking of which, look at the tracking speed.
Posted by: Borealis4x
« on: July 06, 2016, 08:57:34 PM »So PDC still need actives as well as deep space tracking devices, yes? And hangars need maintenance storage and fuel tanks?
And could you share some of your own builds and general rules of thumb? I really want to get it right the first time so I don't have to go replacing all the PDCs throughout my empire.
On that note, can yo replace things like the missile fire control and actives without leveling the entire base?
And could you share some of your own builds and general rules of thumb? I really want to get it right the first time so I don't have to go replacing all the PDCs throughout my empire.
On that note, can yo replace things like the missile fire control and actives without leveling the entire base?
Posted by: MarcAFK
« on: June 14, 2016, 09:56:34 PM »My standard tracking base has 1000 tons of maintenance bays, at least 1000 ton hanger for reloading, at least one tracking station, and a few missile launchers. Generally it's added piecemeal rather than one giant PDC being put down.
Posted by: Borealis4x
« on: June 14, 2016, 08:19:33 PM »I don't just want tracking stations, I want missile launchers and hangars.
Posted by: MarcAFK
« on: June 14, 2016, 07:45:26 AM »I set up a few in a ring around Jupiters orbit for redundancy, it's mostly an RP thing since tracking stations add power linearly so it's usually better to cram heaps on one body.
Posted by: Sheb
« on: June 14, 2016, 03:26:36 AM »As for sensors on the belt, at least for passive, it's probably much easier to have a big, fat stack of deep space tracking stations on Earth.
Posted by: AL
« on: June 13, 2016, 09:44:19 PM »From my memory PDC's don't need a population to sustain their morale. And yeah, missile launchers always take the same amount of time to reload, regardless of whether you fired smaller missiles or the largest that can fit in the tube.
Posted by: Borealis4x
« on: June 13, 2016, 09:13:00 PM »Do they reload slowly even when loaded with smaller missiles? The reason I want them max size is so they can be flexible.
What are peoples opinions on putting bases and sensors in the Mars-Jupiter asteroid belt to form a ring of defense? I wish we had range/sensor templates that are going into Aurora C# but oh well.
And people are sure that having a population on these asteroids will make it so they never run out of moral, right? Garrison included or do you need to let them out once and awhile?
What are peoples opinions on putting bases and sensors in the Mars-Jupiter asteroid belt to form a ring of defense? I wish we had range/sensor templates that are going into Aurora C# but oh well.
And people are sure that having a population on these asteroids will make it so they never run out of moral, right? Garrison included or do you need to let them out once and awhile?
Posted by: Herodotus4
« on: June 13, 2016, 08:55:31 PM »Size 100 launchers reload slowly, unless you want a massive swarm of MIRV warheadsit would be pretty useless.
Posted by: Borealis4x
« on: June 13, 2016, 06:58:26 PM »You think its worhtwhile to put in a max sized launcher so that the PDC can always fire any missile? Granted, the targeting computer would quickly turn obsolete but if its max size as well it'll still serve a good function.
How do box launchers work on PDCs? Do they reload immediately like they are in a hangar?
How do box launchers work on PDCs? Do they reload immediately like they are in a hangar?
Posted by: Prince of Space
« on: June 12, 2016, 06:48:29 AM »Regarding infrastructure to support PDCs, they are subject to the morale rules just like ships are. So you may want to put at least a small population on the asteroid with Underground Infrastructure, or arrange for a recreation module to be available, either as part of the PDC itself or on a visiting Circus & Brothel ship that makes the rounds to all the remote PDCs.
Posted by: iceball3
« on: June 12, 2016, 02:14:19 AM »I don't understand deep space tracking systems. All it tells me is what "level" it is, saying nothing about the range it covers.The "Level" is flatly the amount of Deep Space Tracking Stations on a planetary body. What you want to look at is the "Strength" number next to the title of the Deep Space Tracking Station, which says how strongly your DSTS acts as a passive sensor for thermals and EM, equivalent to ship-based systems. Considering that it stacks, and increments in the hundreds, DSTSs are actually extremely powerful compared to shipboard sensors, and can be much better for monitoring points and systems than scoutships if a system body is in the right spot.
Now, for how far a particular "strength" can see sensor contacts, for every single point of sensetivity, the sensor can see a strength 1,000 contact out to 1 million kilometers, with everything being linear, I think.
So a Sensitivity 20 sensor will see a 1,000 strength contact out to 20 million kilometers, a sensitivity 250 sensor would see said contact out to 250 million kilometers instead, etc.
I'm 99% sure that a contact half as large (so 500) will be seen at half the range, and a contact twice the size (2,000) would be seen at double the range, but don't quote me on that one.
If you want an actual view of how far your sensors see things, check out this tab on the system map...
When checked off, it traces circles on the map, such that the circles represent the range your sensor see a particular strength signature out to, the strength in particular being the one you've set with the sliders in the Passive Sensor Ranges tab. Do note that such circles may often be bigger or smaller than visible at your current zoom level.
Posted by: Borealis4x
« on: June 12, 2016, 01:37:53 AM »I don't understand deep space tracking systems. All it tells me is what "level" it is, saying nothing about the range it covers.
Posted by: DIT_grue
« on: June 12, 2016, 01:06:50 AM »Do PDCs benefit from having their own active or passive sensors or do the planetary ones fulfill it just fine?If you're referring to Deep Space Tracking Stations, remember that those serve as thermal and EM sensors, but NOT actives. So you still need an active sensor somewhere to achieve a target lock.
