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Posted by: Drgong
« on: January 18, 2018, 06:23:14 PM »

I always looked at the centers as a cluster of banks and so on.   A large bank can employ tens of thousands of people.   

It was nice in one game Luna had the perfect mix to build finance centers, so Luna ended up being the banking capital of the empire, and it was fun to think that companies would have loans from the Bank of Luna or something.   8)
Posted by: boggo2300
« on: January 16, 2018, 03:04:04 PM »

I always rp that a colony without any financial centers is a pretty rough industrial kind of place with diners and dive bars. For me adding a financial center adds a central business district, and the overpriced coffee shops and wine bars that go with that.

See Newcastle *ducks*
Posted by: TheDeadlyShoe
« on: January 16, 2018, 09:35:54 AM »

The real question is, what does wealth represent. Only when you answer that can you answer what a financial center does.

Dipping into negative wealth represents your civilization overloading its ability to accomplish things.  There's not enough people, not enough expertise, too much corruption, and so on and so forth. So financial centers can represent anything that reduces these problems.  It could be bureaucrats to keep track of things, taskmaster AIs to direct activity efficiently, replicant facilities so people can double their workload, robot factories to reduce workload, or financial wizards that optimize economic activity.  Or whatever else you can imagine.
Posted by: TCD
« on: January 16, 2018, 09:24:42 AM »

What does a financial centre actually represent? They seem a little weird. It's a factory you that feed manufacturing pops to, and then it just generates (effectively) free money out the other end. What does it actually do? They seem too abstract, which is weird considering how little else is abstracted this way in the game. I'm almost convinced that they are literally just large-scale money printers that don't cause inflation.
I've always assumed that they are like Canary Wharf, a custom built cluster of fancy buildings for bankers to do their financial magic. Either that or galactic mega malls. You could easily create 50,000 jobs and a bunch or revenue by building a mega mall. Or a fancy entertainment district with sports stadiums and art galleries? I'm not exactly sure what the TN materials are needed for, but presumably overindulgent architecture.

It might be best to rename the facility from financial center to commercial center to cover all the many possibilities?

They actually are. Each body already has population devoted to environment (including food) and service sectors. So the 50k people are directly involved in a financial centre.
 
Just because there are already people on the planet providing a basic level of food and service it doesn't mean that the financial centers etc don't require extra fancier services. I always rp that a colony without any financial centers is a pretty rough industrial kind of place with diners and dive bars. For me adding a financial center adds a central business district, and the overpriced coffee shops and wine bars that go with that.
Posted by: boggo2300
« on: January 15, 2018, 02:48:58 PM »

They actually are. Each body already has population devoted to environment (including food) and service sectors. So the 50k people are directly involved in a financial centre.

To OP, they are a placeholder to combat budget deficit. Personally I hardly ever use them because they are so silly but the whole wealth side of Aurora is pretty underdeveloped.

see  City of London
Posted by: Garfunkel
« on: January 15, 2018, 10:09:19 AM »

Those factories, research centres and labs aren't staffed by those '50 000 people,' I would estimate that's the chunk of the population that's needed to support those facilities directly and indirectly. Actual staffing totals are likely much smaller, but they do draw on the mundane industry on planet for supplies and things.
They actually are. Each body already has population devoted to environment (including food) and service sectors. So the 50k people are directly involved in a financial centre.

To OP, they are a placeholder to combat budget deficit. Personally I hardly ever use them because they are so silly but the whole wealth side of Aurora is pretty underdeveloped.
Posted by: Barkhorn
« on: January 12, 2018, 08:17:49 PM »

Honestly I kinda doubt that there are any blue-collar jobs at all in any Aurora civilization.  The tech is just so advanced it seems like anything simple enough to require what we would call blue-collar workers would be automated.  Just because it's in the manufacturing sector doesn't have to mean they're a factory worker bolting widgets together.

I like thinking of financial centers as bitcoin mines, stock and cryptocurrency exchanges, and banking institutions.  Bitcoin mining on a large scale requires a lot of technicians to make sure the servers stay online.  You should see the ones in China.  They're huge warehouses full of server racks, with gigantic industrial fans at the end keeping the whole place cool.  They work 3 shifts of technicians so they're fully staffed 24/7.
Posted by: ChildServices
« on: January 11, 2018, 06:22:12 AM »

I'd wager that the industrial factories are actually staffed directly, or very close to directly, by that many manufacturing pops. If it's still indirect work, it'd be a lot closer to the actual output of the factory than it would be in a financial centre. The people actually staffing financial centres and laboratories should largely be service industry pops if anything.
Posted by: Hazard
« on: January 11, 2018, 05:32:41 AM »

A financial centre in real life is arguably not staffed by blue collar manufacturing pops. To be fair, neither is a laboratory.

Those factories, research centres and labs aren't staffed by those '50 000 people,' I would estimate that's the chunk of the population that's needed to support those facilities directly and indirectly. Actual staffing totals are likely much smaller, but they do draw on the mundane industry on planet for supplies and things.
Posted by: ChildServices
« on: January 11, 2018, 04:51:16 AM »

A financial centre in real life is arguably not staffed by blue collar manufacturing pops. To be fair, neither is a laboratory.
Posted by: mtm84
« on: January 11, 2018, 04:47:03 AM »

I don't see a problem, they work exactly the same way as the ones in real life.
Posted by: ChildServices
« on: January 11, 2018, 04:13:14 AM »

What does a financial centre actually represent? They seem a little weird. It's a factory you that feed manufacturing pops to, and then it just generates (effectively) free money out the other end. What does it actually do? They seem too abstract, which is weird considering how little else is abstracted this way in the game. I'm almost convinced that they are literally just large-scale money printers that don't cause inflation.

The ways I've thought of fixing financial centres are...
a) Remove them from the game :)
b) Make them into factories that stimulate commodity production on the planet, and civilian sector growth (empire-wide, although the effect of this should be very small and require a large number of them to be built), both of which will still ultimately generate an income for the player, albeit less directly. They'd then be renamed to "civilian enterprises" or something more suitable.
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