Carrier Task Force - First time

[spartacus]

If you called your Carrier a Battle Cruiser it would be great to RP the Orions from In Death Ground.  They fell in love with the Strike Fighter when introduced to them and after that every Capital ship they designed had some hanger space on it.

Not the most efficient way to design your ships but potentially a lot of fun and a great story.

[skoormit]

...For most purposes, a ratio of 5 HS engine to 2 HS fuel gives maximum range....

This guy mathed out the optimal ratio as 3:1.

[liveware]

CARRIER x1

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Imperious class Carrier      40.974 tons       948 Crew       9.744,9 BP       TCS 819    TH 720    EM 0
3660 km/s      Armour 8-105       Shields 0-0       HTK 369      Sensors 70/70/0/0      DCR 71      PPV 66,62
Maint Life 6,59 Years     MSP 11.580    AFR 263%    IFR 3,7%    1YR 461    5YR 6.916    Max Repair 547,4 MSP
Hangar Deck Capacity 6.000 tons     Magazine 802    Cryogenic Berths 1.000   
Captain    Control Rating 6   BRG   AUX   ENG   CIC   FLG   PFC   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Flight Crew Berths 120    Morale Check Required   

Military Internal Fusion Drive  EP500,00 (6)    Power 3000    Fuel Use 37,06%    Signature 120,00    Explosion 12%
Fuel Capacity 5.000.000 Litres    Range 59,3 billion km (187 days at full power)

Twin Mitsubishi Heavy Industries 30cm C4 Soft X-ray Laser Turret (2x2)    Range 384.000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 48-8     RM 60.000 km    ROF 30       
Phalanx CIWS (10x6)    Range 1000 km     TS: 25.000 km/s     ROF 5       
Twin Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Gauss Cannon R300-8,00 Turret (2x6)    Range 30.000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 30.000 km    ROF 5       
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Beam Fire Control R384-TS15000 (2)     Max Range: 384.000 km   TS: 15.000 km/s     97 95 92 90 87 84 82 79 77 74
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor R48 (1)     Total Power Output 48,1    Exp 5%

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries AMM Missile Launcher (2)     Missile Size: 1    Rate of Fire 10
AMM Fire Control FC92-R1 (2)     Range 92,1m km    Resolution 1
Sea Sparrow AMM 1MSP (100)    Speed: 26.400 km/s    End: 15,2m     Range: 24m km    WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 299/179/89
Martel ASM (702)    Speed: 24.600 km/s    End: 16,8m     Range: 24,8m km    WH: 3    Size: 1    TH: 180/108/54

Active Search Sensor I (1)     GPS 11200     Range 103,7m km    Resolution 100
Tracker EM Sensor EM5-70 (1)     Sensitivity 70     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  66,1m km
Seeker Thermal Sensor TH5-70 (1)     Sensitivity 70     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  66,1m km
ELINT Module (1)     Sensitivity 6     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  19,4m km

Strike Group
40x Incepteris Fighter   Speed: 8725 km/s    Size: 2,87

I think your carrier is too small and too slow for your engine tech and it's intended role. Below is my ion drive tech carrier which is only 2/3 slower than your inertial fusion design (2 engine tech levels above me) and more than double the hangar capacity. I have made a design decision to completely omit any sort of defensive weapons on my carrier design, and instead relegate that task to dedicated support ships in order to allow for more efficient weapon designs on my smaller, faster support ships. I think your carrier would benefit from re-designing your engines to be maximum size for the largest ship you intend to mount them on. In that case you could mount one or two engines with higher fuel efficiency than your existing 6 engine design.

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CV Lexington III 001  (Lexington III class Carrier)      50,100 tons       1,078 Crew       7,332.4 BP       TCS 1,002    TH 875    EM 0
2495 km/s      Armour 4-121       Shields 0-0       HTK 297      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 113      PPV 0
Maint Life 6.46 Years     MSP 13,476    AFR 194%    IFR 2.7%    1YR 557    5YR 8,356    Max Repair 2187.5 MSP
Hangar Deck Capacity 16,000 tons     
Captain    Control Rating 5   BRG   AUX   ENG   FLG   PFC   
Intended Deployment Time: 48 months    Flight Crew Berths 320    Morale Check Required   

Aegis Ion Drive  EP2500.00 (1)    Power 2500    Fuel Use 107.33%    Signature 875.00    Explosion 20%
Fuel Capacity 12,508,000 Litres    Range 41.9 billion km (194 days at full power)

Aegis Active Search Sensor AS141-R50 (50%) (1)     GPS 21000     Range 141.3m km    Resolution 50
Aegis Active Search Sensor AS2-R1 (50%) (1)     GPS 3     Range 2.7m km    MCR 244k km    Resolution 1

ECM 10

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


[d.rodin]

Hello,

This is my first carrier task force design.   Would appreciate some feedback! Thank you in advance. 

CARRIER x1

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Imperious class Carrier      40.974 tons       948 Crew       9.744,9 BP       TCS 819    TH 720    EM 0
3660 km/s      Armour 8-105       Shields 0-0       HTK 369      Sensors 70/70/0/0      DCR 71      PPV 66,62
Maint Life 6,59 Years     MSP 11.580    AFR 263%    IFR 3,7%    1YR 461    5YR 6.916    Max Repair 547,4 MSP
Hangar Deck Capacity 6.000 tons     Magazine 802    Cryogenic Berths 1.000   
Captain    Control Rating 6   BRG   AUX   ENG   CIC   FLG   PFC   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Flight Crew Berths 120    Morale Check Required   

Military Internal Fusion Drive  EP500,00 (6)    Power 3000    Fuel Use 37,06%    Signature 120,00    Explosion 12%
Fuel Capacity 5.000.000 Litres    Range 59,3 billion km (187 days at full power)

Twin Mitsubishi Heavy Industries 30cm C4 Soft X-ray Laser Turret (2x2)    Range 384.000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 48-8     RM 60.000 km    ROF 30       
Phalanx CIWS (10x6)    Range 1000 km     TS: 25.000 km/s     ROF 5       
Twin Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Gauss Cannon R300-8,00 Turret (2x6)    Range 30.000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 30.000 km    ROF 5       
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Beam Fire Control R384-TS15000 (2)     Max Range: 384.000 km   TS: 15.000 km/s     97 95 92 90 87 84 82 79 77 74
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor R48 (1)     Total Power Output 48,1    Exp 5%

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries AMM Missile Launcher (2)     Missile Size: 1    Rate of Fire 10
AMM Fire Control FC92-R1 (2)     Range 92,1m km    Resolution 1
Sea Sparrow AMM 1MSP (100)    Speed: 26.400 km/s    End: 15,2m     Range: 24m km    WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 299/179/89
Martel ASM (702)    Speed: 24.600 km/s    End: 16,8m     Range: 24,8m km    WH: 3    Size: 1    TH: 180/108/54

Active Search Sensor I (1)     GPS 11200     Range 103,7m km    Resolution 100
Tracker EM Sensor EM5-70 (1)     Sensitivity 70     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  66,1m km
Seeker Thermal Sensor TH5-70 (1)     Sensitivity 70     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  66,1m km
ELINT Module (1)     Sensitivity 6     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  19,4m km

Strike Group
40x Incepteris Fighter   Speed: 8725 km/s    Size: 2,87

My Light Carrier with same hangar capacity

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Admiral Nakhimov M7 class Light Carrier      24 948 tons       417 Crew       12 761.8 BP       TCS 499    TH 250    EM 0
12526 km/s      Armour 10-76       Shields 0-0       HTK 127      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 55      PPV 0
Maint Life 4.35 Years     MSP 13 592    AFR 199%    IFR 2.8%    1YR 1 158    5YR 17 368    Max Repair 2031.25 MSP
Hangar Deck Capacity 6 000 tons     Magazine 772    Cryogenic Berths 400   
Captain    Control Rating 4   BRG   AUX   ENG   PFC   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Flight Crew Berths 120    Morale Check Required   

Gas Core AM Drive  EP1250.00 (5)    Power 6250    Fuel Use 7.91%    Signature 50.00    Explosion 10%
Fuel Capacity 5 000 000 Litres    Range 456.3 billion km (421 days at full power)

Medium ASM M6 (120)    Speed: 67 200 km/s    End: 5.4m     Range: 21.8m km    WH: 16    Size: 6    TH: 1366/819/409

ECM 70

Strike Group
2x Tu-142 M7 Fighter-Scout   Speed: 51218 km/s    Size: 8.79
10x Tu-22 M7 Fighter-bomber   Speed: 45162 km/s    Size: 9.96

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

[Polestar]

This guy mathed out the optimal ratio as 3:1.

While I like the math, there are some additional considerations worth mentioning.

1. Space devoted to fuel can be handled by fuel tankers (with some cost to security and convenience). Space devoted to engines is less easy to offload (although carriers and tugs both work). This is the major reason why my own designs tend to carry less fuel than the above math suggests.
2. Engines of less than 100% fuel consumption are disproportionately less costly to research and field. This can only occasionally be taken advantage of with military designs, but is extremely important for civilian vessels.
3. Researching engines, especially big ones, can get costly. There is a significant price tag attached to per-design optimization. I tend to optimize for a fleet, using 2-3 types of engines, rather for each of perhaps 6-10 military ship classes.

[skoormit]

This guy mathed out the optimal ratio as 3:1.

While I like the math, there are some additional considerations worth mentioning.

1. Space devoted to fuel can be handled by fuel tankers (with some cost to security and convenience). Space devoted to engines is less easy to offload (although carriers and tugs both work). This is the major reason why my own designs tend to carry less fuel than the above math suggests.
2. Engines of less than 100% fuel consumption are disproportionately less costly to research and field. This can only occasionally be taken advantage of with military designs, but is extremely important for civilian vessels.
3. Researching engines, especially big ones, can get costly. There is a significant price tag attached to per-design optimization. I tend to optimize for a fleet, using 2-3 types of engines, rather for each of perhaps 6-10 military ship classes.

Agreed on all counts.
I only wanted to note that your 5:2 "rule of thumb" could lead to slightly suboptimal designs.
I start my design process with a 3:1 ratio in mind. I deviate from that for reasons like the above, or when I have constraints other than maximizing available component space for a given speed and range.

[liveware]

Hello,

This is my first carrier task force design.   Would appreciate some feedback! Thank you in advance. 

CARRIER x1

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Imperious class Carrier      40.974 tons       948 Crew       9.744,9 BP       TCS 819    TH 720    EM 0
3660 km/s      Armour 8-105       Shields 0-0       HTK 369      Sensors 70/70/0/0      DCR 71      PPV 66,62
Maint Life 6,59 Years     MSP 11.580    AFR 263%    IFR 3,7%    1YR 461    5YR 6.916    Max Repair 547,4 MSP
Hangar Deck Capacity 6.000 tons     Magazine 802    Cryogenic Berths 1.000   
Captain    Control Rating 6   BRG   AUX   ENG   CIC   FLG   PFC   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Flight Crew Berths 120    Morale Check Required   

Military Internal Fusion Drive  EP500,00 (6)    Power 3000    Fuel Use 37,06%    Signature 120,00    Explosion 12%
Fuel Capacity 5.000.000 Litres    Range 59,3 billion km (187 days at full power)

Twin Mitsubishi Heavy Industries 30cm C4 Soft X-ray Laser Turret (2x2)    Range 384.000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 48-8     RM 60.000 km    ROF 30       
Phalanx CIWS (10x6)    Range 1000 km     TS: 25.000 km/s     ROF 5       
Twin Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Gauss Cannon R300-8,00 Turret (2x6)    Range 30.000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 30.000 km    ROF 5       
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Beam Fire Control R384-TS15000 (2)     Max Range: 384.000 km   TS: 15.000 km/s     97 95 92 90 87 84 82 79 77 74
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor R48 (1)     Total Power Output 48,1    Exp 5%

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries AMM Missile Launcher (2)     Missile Size: 1    Rate of Fire 10
AMM Fire Control FC92-R1 (2)     Range 92,1m km    Resolution 1
Sea Sparrow AMM 1MSP (100)    Speed: 26.400 km/s    End: 15,2m     Range: 24m km    WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 299/179/89
Martel ASM (702)    Speed: 24.600 km/s    End: 16,8m     Range: 24,8m km    WH: 3    Size: 1    TH: 180/108/54

Active Search Sensor I (1)     GPS 11200     Range 103,7m km    Resolution 100
Tracker EM Sensor EM5-70 (1)     Sensitivity 70     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  66,1m km
Seeker Thermal Sensor TH5-70 (1)     Sensitivity 70     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  66,1m km
ELINT Module (1)     Sensitivity 6     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  19,4m km

Strike Group
40x Incepteris Fighter   Speed: 8725 km/s    Size: 2,87

My Light Carrier with same hangar capacity

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Admiral Nakhimov M7 class Light Carrier      24 948 tons       417 Crew       12 761.8 BP       TCS 499    TH 250    EM 0
12526 km/s      Armour 10-76       Shields 0-0       HTK 127      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 55      PPV 0
Maint Life 4.35 Years     MSP 13 592    AFR 199%    IFR 2.8%    1YR 1 158    5YR 17 368    Max Repair 2031.25 MSP
Hangar Deck Capacity 6 000 tons     Magazine 772    Cryogenic Berths 400   
Captain    Control Rating 4   BRG   AUX   ENG   PFC   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Flight Crew Berths 120    Morale Check Required   

Gas Core AM Drive  EP1250.00 (5)    Power 6250    Fuel Use 7.91%    Signature 50.00    Explosion 10%
Fuel Capacity 5 000 000 Litres    Range 456.3 billion km (421 days at full power)

Medium ASM M6 (120)    Speed: 67 200 km/s    End: 5.4m     Range: 21.8m km    WH: 16    Size: 6    TH: 1366/819/409

ECM 70

Strike Group
2x Tu-142 M7 Fighter-Scout   Speed: 51218 km/s    Size: 8.79
10x Tu-22 M7 Fighter-bomber   Speed: 45162 km/s    Size: 9.96

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

Mr drodin, your engine tech exceeds my own by several orders of magnitude. However I note that your IFR is comparable to my own design targets, so perhaps I am not without hope.

[d.rodin]

Hello,

This is my first carrier task force design.   Would appreciate some feedback! Thank you in advance. 

CARRIER x1

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Imperious class Carrier      40.974 tons       948 Crew       9.744,9 BP       TCS 819    TH 720    EM 0
3660 km/s      Armour 8-105       Shields 0-0       HTK 369      Sensors 70/70/0/0      DCR 71      PPV 66,62
Maint Life 6,59 Years     MSP 11.580    AFR 263%    IFR 3,7%    1YR 461    5YR 6.916    Max Repair 547,4 MSP
Hangar Deck Capacity 6.000 tons     Magazine 802    Cryogenic Berths 1.000   
Captain    Control Rating 6   BRG   AUX   ENG   CIC   FLG   PFC   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Flight Crew Berths 120    Morale Check Required   

Military Internal Fusion Drive  EP500,00 (6)    Power 3000    Fuel Use 37,06%    Signature 120,00    Explosion 12%
Fuel Capacity 5.000.000 Litres    Range 59,3 billion km (187 days at full power)

Twin Mitsubishi Heavy Industries 30cm C4 Soft X-ray Laser Turret (2x2)    Range 384.000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 48-8     RM 60.000 km    ROF 30       
Phalanx CIWS (10x6)    Range 1000 km     TS: 25.000 km/s     ROF 5       
Twin Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Gauss Cannon R300-8,00 Turret (2x6)    Range 30.000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 30.000 km    ROF 5       
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Beam Fire Control R384-TS15000 (2)     Max Range: 384.000 km   TS: 15.000 km/s     97 95 92 90 87 84 82 79 77 74
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor R48 (1)     Total Power Output 48,1    Exp 5%

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries AMM Missile Launcher (2)     Missile Size: 1    Rate of Fire 10
AMM Fire Control FC92-R1 (2)     Range 92,1m km    Resolution 1
Sea Sparrow AMM 1MSP (100)    Speed: 26.400 km/s    End: 15,2m     Range: 24m km    WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 299/179/89
Martel ASM (702)    Speed: 24.600 km/s    End: 16,8m     Range: 24,8m km    WH: 3    Size: 1    TH: 180/108/54

Active Search Sensor I (1)     GPS 11200     Range 103,7m km    Resolution 100
Tracker EM Sensor EM5-70 (1)     Sensitivity 70     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  66,1m km
Seeker Thermal Sensor TH5-70 (1)     Sensitivity 70     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  66,1m km
ELINT Module (1)     Sensitivity 6     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  19,4m km

Strike Group
40x Incepteris Fighter   Speed: 8725 km/s    Size: 2,87

My Light Carrier with same hangar capacity

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Admiral Nakhimov M7 class Light Carrier      24 948 tons       417 Crew       12 761.8 BP       TCS 499    TH 250    EM 0
12526 km/s      Armour 10-76       Shields 0-0       HTK 127      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 55      PPV 0
Maint Life 4.35 Years     MSP 13 592    AFR 199%    IFR 2.8%    1YR 1 158    5YR 17 368    Max Repair 2031.25 MSP
Hangar Deck Capacity 6 000 tons     Magazine 772    Cryogenic Berths 400   
Captain    Control Rating 4   BRG   AUX   ENG   PFC   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Flight Crew Berths 120    Morale Check Required   

Gas Core AM Drive  EP1250.00 (5)    Power 6250    Fuel Use 7.91%    Signature 50.00    Explosion 10%
Fuel Capacity 5 000 000 Litres    Range 456.3 billion km (421 days at full power)

Medium ASM M6 (120)    Speed: 67 200 km/s    End: 5.4m     Range: 21.8m km    WH: 16    Size: 6    TH: 1366/819/409

ECM 70

Strike Group
2x Tu-142 M7 Fighter-Scout   Speed: 51218 km/s    Size: 8.79
10x Tu-22 M7 Fighter-bomber   Speed: 45162 km/s    Size: 9.96

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

Mr drodin, your engine tech exceeds my own by several orders of magnitude. However I note that your IFR is comparable to my own design targets, so perhaps I am not without hope.

Admiral Nakhimov M5 class Light Carrier      24 736 tons       375 Crew       7 936. 2 BP       TCS 495    TH 320    EM 0
8085 km/s      Armour 10-75       Shields 0-0       HTK 111      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 46      PPV 0
Maint Life 3. 39 Years     MSP 8 008    AFR 306%    IFR 4. 2%    1YR 1 060    5YR 15 900    Max Repair 1100 MSP
Hangar Deck Capacity 6 000 tons     Magazine 772   
Captain    Control Rating 4   BRG   AUX   ENG   PFC   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Flight Crew Berths 120    Morale Check Required   

Inertial Fusion Drive  EP800. 00 (5)    Power 4000    Fuel Use 12. 65%    Signature 64. 00    Explosion 10%
Fuel Capacity 5 000 000 Litres    Range 287. 6 billion km (411 days at full power)

Medium ASM M5 (128)    Speed: 40 000 km/s    End: 26. 4m     Range: 63. 4m km    WH: 25    Size: 6    TH: 533/320/160

ECM 60

Strike Group
2x Tu-142 M5 Fighter-Scout   Speed: 37085 km/s    Size: 7. 77
10x Tu-22 M5 Fighter-bomber   Speed: 35235 km/s    Size: 8. 17

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes