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The Executive Restructuring Bill
« on: July 01, 2011, 06:39:30 PM »
Author: George Payne
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Date: July 1, 2064 (July 1, 2011)

Observing that a President may appoint himself to all positions in the Minitries

Observing that corruption in the Ministries may become reality

Observing that the only way to remove a Minister from power is to have a 2/3 majority

Observing the many problems with having to achieve such a massive number

Observing that the President has the power to appoint Ministers

Observing that in almost every other form of government in the past allowed for the management of personnel to be overseen by the leader

Observing that this power my be abused

Observing that ill-advised legislation is often proposed

Observing that the President is elected by the people to prevent this from happening

Observing that in a legislative body as small as ours an exact tie is possible

I propose that a President may not hold the position of Minister

that the President be able to remove a Minister from power with just cause

that a Minister may take his or her case to the Senate if the Minister believes that just cause is absent

that the Senate can overturn a sacking with a 2/3 majority vote

that any bill that is approved by greater than 1/2 of Senators but less than 2/3 of Senators cannot take effect without the approval of the President

that any bill that is not approved by the President can be voted on again 24 hours after the initial vote if three Senators submit a written request

that if any bill has the same amount of people voting against as the amount of people voting for, then the Vice President will decide the result
 

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Re: The Executive Restructuring Bill
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2011, 08:01:29 AM »
This is actually rather embarrassing, I still need one person to second this proposal, and it seems that no one is even paying attention. Therefore, I will support an extension of the voting period to 72 hours.
 

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Re: The Executive Restructuring Bill
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2011, 10:09:03 AM »
I would like to second it but cannot while these three lines exist which I cannot agree too, other then that I have no issues and welcome the other changes.

that any bill that is approved by greater than 1/2 of Senators but less than 2/3 of Senators cannot take effect without the approval of the President
(a democratic system is based on the large number of votes, this is what I believe in)
that any bill that is not approved by the President can be voted on again 24 hours after the initial vote if three Senators submit a written request
Not necessary based on belief above
that the President be able to remove a Minister from power with just cause
We already have impeachment clause, but the senator rules on this not one person
 

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Re: The Executive Restructuring Bill
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2011, 08:40:11 PM »
That really is all that is in the bill that has any real impact, the other provisions really just close loopholes.

I do understand that the power of a veto is controversial, but a veto is quite necessary for at least a little separation of powers and prevents measures that are too extreme from passing. One could argue that the Senate itself can prevent extreme bills, but personal interests could get in the way. For example, firing just over half of the senators from office giving the others the ability to rule unopposed. Additionally, the power to veto is really not that important in our post-partisan time. All votes have either passed or been rejected by greater than 80% on one side, making a veto really only useful if a bill is very close.

Is it really reasonable that the President can appoint members to a Ministry but cannot remove them from power? I do not see any government working very well where a leader cannot even decide the contents of his own cabinet. I would also add that impeachment actually does not apply to ministers as it covers "elected representatives" and Ministers are appointed.
[ooc]Also, there really seems to be just 6 people voting on any given thing, so a Minister really just needs one supporter other than himself and do anything he wishes.[/ooc]