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C# Mechanics / Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Last post by gpt3 on June 25, 2025, 09:00:06 AM »
Quote from: Steve Walmsley on June 25, 2025, 02:59:56 AM
Quote from: gpt3 on June 24, 2025, 11:53:18 PM
Quote from: Steve Walmsley on June 24, 2025, 06:00:38 PM
The 'pre-TN problem' in coding terms is a huge amount of AI code that assumes certain capabilities on the part of a NPR. I would have to go through all that code and add exceptions for the technology and capabilities that an NPR may or may not possess when that code is accessed and then fix all the resulting bugs. I would also have to get the NPR to assess which of the missing capabilities were most important and prioritise them for construction, research, shipbuilding, etc..

It's possible to do it - it's just a HUGE amount of work.

The Industrial NPR is a way to have the presence of a conventional NPR without having to worry about the above.
Will the industrial NPRs have STO ground units? They could use the new conventional beam weapons and hopefully use the same AI code as regular NPRs and Rahkas.

From a narrative perspective, one could imagine Cold War or modern-day humanity desperately repurposing anti-satellite/asteroid-defense systems to (ineffectively) combat aliens.

http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=13463.msg173751#msg173751
D'oh! Reading comprehension failure on my part.
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General C# Fiction / Re: Terran Alliance - Journey to the Stars
« Last post by ruifac on June 25, 2025, 07:02:32 AM »
Dawn of Discovery: The Launch of the Aachen-Class Geological Survey Ships

2106.05.25
Category: Construction
Location: Sol System, Earth, Barreto Shipbuilding Naval Shipyard
Participants: Aachen-Class Geological Survey Ships, Earth Naval Shipyard Personnel, United Earth Government Officials, Research and Exploration Division
Outcome: Success

In the bustling heart of the Sol System, at the renowned Barreto Shipbuilding Naval Shipyard on Earth, a pivotal moment in human history unfolds. The first two Aachen-Class Geological Survey Ships are now under construction, marking the dawn of a new era of exploration and discovery. These advanced vessels, designed to probe the mysteries of the cosmos, symbolize humanity's relentless pursuit of knowledge and its readiness to expand beyond the confines of the solar system.

The construction of these ships is a concerted effort involving the brightest minds from the Research and Exploration Division, skilled shipyard personnel, and high-ranking officials from the Terran Alliance Government. With their state-of-the-art survey equipment and robust design, the Aachen-Class ships are poised to venture into the unknown, uncovering hidden resources and potentially habitable worlds in our Solar system.

As the ships begin to take shape, a palpable sense of excitement permeates through the shipyard and beyond. The promise of new horizons beckons, and humanity stands on the precipice of its greatest journey yet — the exploration of the stars. This ambitious project not only showcases technological prowess but also highlights the indomitable spirit of a species eager to explore the vast expanse of space, seeking to understand its place in the universe.
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C# Mechanics / Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Last post by Steve Walmsley on June 25, 2025, 02:59:56 AM »
Quote from: gpt3 on June 24, 2025, 11:53:18 PM
Quote from: Steve Walmsley on June 24, 2025, 06:00:38 PM
The 'pre-TN problem' in coding terms is a huge amount of AI code that assumes certain capabilities on the part of a NPR. I would have to go through all that code and add exceptions for the technology and capabilities that an NPR may or may not possess when that code is accessed and then fix all the resulting bugs. I would also have to get the NPR to assess which of the missing capabilities were most important and prioritise them for construction, research, shipbuilding, etc..

It's possible to do it - it's just a HUGE amount of work.

The Industrial NPR is a way to have the presence of a conventional NPR without having to worry about the above.
Will the industrial NPRs have STO ground units? They could use the new conventional beam weapons and hopefully use the same AI code as regular NPRs and Rahkas.

From a narrative perspective, one could imagine Cold War or modern-day humanity desperately repurposing anti-satellite/asteroid-defense systems to (ineffectively) combat aliens.

http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=13463.msg173751#msg173751
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C# Mechanics / Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Last post by gpt3 on June 24, 2025, 11:53:18 PM »
Quote from: Steve Walmsley on June 24, 2025, 06:00:38 PM
The 'pre-TN problem' in coding terms is a huge amount of AI code that assumes certain capabilities on the part of a NPR. I would have to go through all that code and add exceptions for the technology and capabilities that an NPR may or may not possess when that code is accessed and then fix all the resulting bugs. I would also have to get the NPR to assess which of the missing capabilities were most important and prioritise them for construction, research, shipbuilding, etc..

It's possible to do it - it's just a HUGE amount of work.

The Industrial NPR is a way to have the presence of a conventional NPR without having to worry about the above.
Will the industrial NPRs have STO ground units? They could use the new conventional beam weapons and hopefully use the same AI code as regular NPRs and Rahkas.

From a narrative perspective, one could imagine Cold War or modern-day humanity desperately repurposing anti-satellite/asteroid-defense systems to (ineffectively) combat aliens.
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C# Mechanics / Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Last post by Garfunkel on June 24, 2025, 07:43:19 PM »
Thanks for adding the conventional -only NPR, that and the conventional weapons are totally up my alley!
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C# Mechanics / Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Last post by Steve Walmsley on June 24, 2025, 06:00:38 PM »
The 'pre-TN problem' in coding terms is a huge amount of AI code that assumes certain capabilities on the part of a NPR. I would have to go through all that code and add exceptions for the technology and capabilities that an NPR may or may not possess when that code is accessed and then fix all the resulting bugs. I would also have to get the NPR to assess which of the missing capabilities were most important and prioritise them for construction, research, shipbuilding, etc..

It's possible to do it - it's just a HUGE amount of work.

The Industrial NPR is a way to have the presence of a conventional NPR without having to worry about the above.
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C# Mechanics / Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Last post by lumporr on June 24, 2025, 05:26:24 PM »
I solved the pre-TN problem in my own database forays by adding the installations Basic Industry and University, as well as the Industrial and Space Age techs. Basic industry is the same construction value as Conventional with nothing else, while requiring 500k taxable basic labourers (ten times the required workers of Conventional Industry). Universities cost 600 wealth and provide 0.05 research value, 0.02 academy value, and require 50k workers. Industrial Tech unlocks the Military Academy, GFCC, Financial Centre, Conventional Industry (requiring no minerals, but 1200 wealth), and the ability to convert Basic Industry to Conventional for 1100 wealth (on top of the 120 wealth cost of Basic Industry). Space Age unlocks infrastructure, DSTs, shipyards, spaceports, and cargo/refueling/ordnance stations. Forced Labour was included in a separate tech. The rest were unlocked by TN as in the base game. Costs of the techs were 1,000 and 2,000, comparable to TN at 5,000.

This would mean you'd require 20 Universities to match a Research Facility, 50 to match a Military Academy, and 10 Basic Industry requiring 5 million workers to match a Construction Factory requiring 50k.

That's how I did it, anyway!
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C# Mechanics / Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Last post by Steve Walmsley on June 24, 2025, 04:07:19 PM »
Quote from: Aloriel on June 24, 2025, 03:11:47 PM
Concerning pre-industrial tech NPRs, you said they'd have ground forces. What manner of ground forces would they have? Muskets? Swords? Does it depend on where in some hidden tech tree they are?

Now that you are also planning industrial era NPRs as well, does that also imply that pre-industrial NPRs can become industrial era?

Pre-Ind have the same ground forces they have in v2.5.1, with armour and weapon strength 1. Pre-industrial cannot advance to industrial. They are centuries apart. It's like Rome, or 16th Century Spain, advancing to WW2 Germany.

Pre-industrial and Industrial are fixed tech civilizations - more like special events than serious opponents, although the industrial NPRs could play an interesting role if they end up between two high tech empires.
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C# Mechanics / Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Last post by Aloriel on June 24, 2025, 03:11:47 PM »
Concerning pre-industrial tech NPRs, you said they'd have ground forces. What manner of ground forces would they have? Muskets? Swords? Does it depend on where in some hidden tech tree they are?

Now that you are also planning industrial era NPRs as well, does that also imply that pre-industrial NPRs can become industrial era?
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C# Mechanics / Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Last post by Tavik Toth on June 24, 2025, 01:10:56 PM »
More conventional tech weapons is a great addition!
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