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Posted by: Vandermeer
« on: October 26, 2021, 09:36:43 AM »

I too find it much more challenging to maintain a larger fleet now, even though I always played massive in the past.
The worst thing is that the AI can just ignore all this. I recently had an Earth start with 4 other NPR factions, one of which spawned with over 100 size 18-26kt ships, so over 2mt in fleet, and that is on difficulty 50%! Of the other three factions, even the two weaker ones with lower population still have fielded a fleet that I couldn't match 50 years in.
Currently I struggle to keep my 400kt fleet afloat, and even though I have been playing Aurora for so long, I am now in my first ever Uridium crunch because of the high maintenance demand. Meanwhile the remaining NPRs just smile and wave from the decks of their tax-free superyachts.
Well, I am sure I will adapt strategy to the new system eventually.
Posted by: Platys51
« on: September 30, 2021, 04:04:50 AM »

Within first 60-80 years on normal start, 600kt of warships is enough to win a war.
That said, everyone has different play style.
Especially civ/navy ratio can vary wildly as in that time, I can have 10-15Mt transport ships. As in, one ship. Usually 10-20 of them by this point. Along with few fleets of 1Mt ships for low volume transport.
Posted by: Dawa1147
« on: September 29, 2021, 01:07:35 PM »

Unfortunately my 1.13 run has gone the way of the dodo, from vague memory I had like 800kt warships and 8 billion pop during my first war beginning, and it (along with the second war that got started along the way) ended at roughly 2Mt ships and 14 billion pops. However, that includes most of the 800kt ships as I didn't lose many (first war was 1v1v1, managed to avoid much of the fighting until my next gen came online), and most of them are VERY outdated (like, magneto-plasma carriers and jump tenders only good for rimworld defense fighters). On the other hand, my growth was restricted due to a severe gallacite shortage limiting the amount of beam ships I could build. (doctrine was beam and missile fighters, more or less).
Posted by: xenoscepter
« on: September 20, 2021, 10:29:58 PM »

Quote from: nakorkren on September 20, 2021, 10:04:37 PM
Holy %^#@ xenoscepter, those Biships and Intrepids are huge! Biggest I've built so far is 40k carriers and I thought those were sizeable. I guess I'm only at 2B pop split across several worlds, but still...

 --- Incidentally, a single Bishop -CV carries 40K worth of fighters. Your carriers are the size of my fighter wings. Lol.
Posted by: nakorkren
« on: September 20, 2021, 10:04:37 PM »

Holy %^#@ xenoscepter, those Biships and Intrepids are huge! Biggest I've built so far is 40k carriers and I thought those were sizeable. I guess I'm only at 2B pop split across several worlds, but still...
Posted by: xenoscepter
« on: September 20, 2021, 09:58:49 PM »

These here: http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=12319.0

 --- In a 12 Billion Pop start, I had 4x Bishop -CV, 8x Intrepid Battlecruisers, 320x Crusader Fighter-Bombers, 16x Marathon Jump Scouts, 4x Troubadour Frigates, 24x Diligent Frigates, and 72x Sprinter Scouts for a total of 2,014,000 tons, or just over 2 Gigatons worth of ships.
Posted by: nuclearslurpee
« on: September 20, 2021, 09:56:43 PM »

Quote from: nakorkren on September 20, 2021, 09:45:23 PM
So what IS a typical mil fleet tonnage to pop ratio? The two data points so far are 4m/14b and 2m/3b, which are very different! I think I'm at around 600k/2b, with one conquered alien homeworld which I captured mostly intact.

 Anyone else care to weigh in, pardon the pun?

I wouldn't consider anything "typical". It depends so much on game settings, game progress (you lose more ships if you fight a lot of wars, for instance), design philosophy, economic strategy, and refitting vs building new ships.

In my current main campaign I have 700k tons and 2.4b race population, however I have fought many battles and lost some 200k tons, so had I not fought any wars I could have 900k tons by now. At the same time I have around 10m tons of commercial ships, so the ratio could change if I built more naval yards instead of commercial yards for instance. This is also fairly early in the campaign compared to some players who can go 100s of years, by which time things can change quite a lot.
Posted by: nakorkren
« on: September 20, 2021, 09:45:23 PM »

So what IS a typical mil fleet tonnage to pop ratio? The two data points so far are 4m/14b and 2m/3b, which are very different! I think I'm at around 600k/2b, with one conquered alien homeworld which I captured mostly intact.

 Anyone else care to weigh in, pardon the pun?
Posted by: kilo
« on: September 20, 2021, 09:32:37 AM »

Quote from: IanD on September 20, 2021, 04:05:25 AM
I have only explored 156 systems and fully surveyed 122. I have 80 freighters all with two standard transport holds so transport isn't the problem. Fuel isn't really a problem abet with occasional local shortages. (shortage of tankers?)

The problem is I can't seem to generate enough mines. As I said two of the NPRs suffered significant loss of industry, one total. So systems at one end of the Empire run out of strategic minerals. I have even managed to produce enough maintenance facilities. But all large deposits of minerals are at one end of the Empire, two home worlds at the other and there are only two multi-million ton deposits of gallicite at the other extreme from where its required. My mining capacity is only 42 tons so perhaps that is my problem? (Two NPRs are 8 jumps from Sol, 12 jumps from the nearest big gallicite deposit.)

PS. my laptop is an i7 that is over 5 years old. There were a few periods when I was on 5 sec turns when two of the NPRs were knocking seven bells out of each other resulting in several hundred wrecks in not a few systems. Compared to VB6 C# is great.

I have 80 freighters with 1 large cargo hold each for manual transport of installations and a couple of mineral fleets, which consist of one or two ships of the same type. I can be hard pressed when setting up new colonies, but otherwise I am fine when it comes to freighters. My tankers are problematic during longer wars, as I have two groups, which are draining the sorium miners and three fleets with 120 million liters of capacity each for colony/fleet resupply. This can be insufficient at the fringe of my empire , but I tend to have stockpiles for a few month of combat everywhere.
Posted by: IanD
« on: September 20, 2021, 04:05:25 AM »

I have only explored 156 systems and fully surveyed 122. I have 80 freighters all with two standard transport holds so transport isn't the problem. Fuel isn't really a problem abet with occasional local shortages. (shortage of tankers?)

The problem is I can't seem to generate enough mines. As I said two of the NPRs suffered significant loss of industry, one total. So systems at one end of the Empire run out of strategic minerals. I have even managed to produce enough maintenance facilities. But all large deposits of minerals are at one end of the Empire, two home worlds at the other and there are only two multi-million ton deposits of gallicite at the other extreme from where its required. My mining capacity is only 42 tons so perhaps that is my problem? (Two NPRs are 8 jumps from Sol, 12 jumps from the nearest big gallicite deposit.)

PS. my laptop is an i7 that is over 5 years old. There were a few periods when I was on 5 sec turns when two of the NPRs were knocking seven bells out of each other resulting in several hundred wrecks in not a few systems. Compared to VB6 C# is great.
Posted by: Zap0
« on: September 19, 2021, 04:16:08 PM »

Quote from: kilo on September 19, 2021, 01:38:15 PM
My game was killed by an invasion of a jungle rift-valley world with 40k tons of defenders spotted from orbit. After that the save's size ballooned and everything became significantly slower, especially saving.

Sounds like an issue with too many logs in the DB. The amount of logs created during large ground combat increases more or less quadratically with the amount of defenders present, and defensible terrain lengthens combat even more.
You can try to delete ground combat logs (or just every log older than x months, as an alternative), vacuum the DB, and see if that helps performance.

Re: Topic
No, I've generally played smaller games. Conquer maybe one homeworld, a million tons or military ships or so.
Posted by: kilo
« on: September 19, 2021, 01:38:15 PM »

Quote from: RougeNPS on September 19, 2021, 01:19:47 PM
Would you be willing to sell your beefed up PC?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I think your fleet is above average because i have a good PC and my games just slow to a crawl by this point.

My game was killed by an invasion of a jungle rift-valley world with 40k tons of defenders spotted from orbit. After that the save's size ballooned and everything became significantly slower, especially saving.

But now back to topic. With your population you should easily be able to support a large economy. If you get those people enough jobs in manufacturing and mining. The productivity and build cost seems to grow at the same pace in my games. So I would think these fleets should be affordable. The problem I am seeing is a fast expansion of the navy without sufficient support infrastructure. That can really break one's back. During war times it might have happened to me as well that I underestimated fuel requirements or galicite demand.

I have never played a round for so long though. I do not see how you may have failed to build sufficient transports for mineral transportation though.
Posted by: RougeNPS
« on: September 19, 2021, 01:19:47 PM »

Would you be willing to sell your beefed up PC?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I think your fleet is above average because i have a good PC and my games just slow to a crawl by this point.
Posted by: IanD
« on: September 19, 2021, 10:48:21 AM »

Total Empire population is just over 14 billion. Two home worlds were almost depopulated. One by my ground invasion, the second by one of the NPRs I conquered who was at war with every one, I think by a ground invasion as there was no radioactivity. Those two world have only 1 - 1.5 billion each while Earth and the third home world have well in excess of 5 billion.

When you are fighting a war on three fronts you need a lot of ships! For decade I had to blockade the jump points, although I could have reduced their endurance from 4 to three years. Most fleets consisted of 15-20 cruisers and later had a squadron of CLE AMM ships added as they were captured. until the last 15 years there were only 4 fleets with the 4th being significantly under strength. A lot of the maintenance problem was the NPR home systems and adjacent systems were more or less mined out. So gallicite and uridium had to be imported from the other end of the Empire, (and one home world losing all its industry to invasion). But until the home worlds were conquered it was the best game in C# I have had. There may be evidence of Star Swarm but I have not met them yet.
Posted by: Garfunkel
« on: September 19, 2021, 07:51:20 AM »

None of my campaigns have ever survived that long!  :o