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Current Battle Group Composition
« on: April 14, 2018, 09:31:33 PM »
Thought I'd post the makeup of my soon-to-be current battle groups, maybe get some feedback about my small craft in particular. Each eight-warship battle group (determined by jump-engine squadron limit) is composed of a 60,000t jump-carrier, a 40,000t dreadnaught (jack-of-all-trades half-capacity carrier, primary sensor platform, destroyer), two 30,000t large destroyers (destroyer leader hulls), two 20,000t destroyers, and two 10,000t frigates.

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[CV] Europe Mod.C class Carrier    60 000 tons     1602 Crew     16756.36 BP      TCS 1200  TH 12000  EM 9000
10000 km/s    JR 8-1000     Armour 6-136     Shields 300-300     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 171     PPV 44.55
Maint Life 6.16 Years     MSP 23055    AFR 218%    IFR 3%    1YR 1043    5YR 15640    Max Repair 1509 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 18 months    Flight Crew Berths 83   
Hangar Deck Capacity 10000 tons     Magazine 867   

J60300(8-1000) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 60300 tons    Distance 1000k km     Squadron Size 8
2000 EP/ E1 Solid Core AM Drive (6)    Power 2000    Fuel Use 12.5%    Signature 2000    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 5 750 000 Litres    Range 138.0 billion km   (159 days at full power)
Shields Xi-R300/360 (60)   Total Fuel Cost  900 Litres per hour  (21 600 per day)

Twin Gauss LV4-100/ROF-5 Mk.2 Turret (3x10)    Range 40 000km     TS: 40000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 4    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
FC S02-R75k TS40000 (3)    Max Range: 150 000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     93 87 80 73 67 60 53 47 40 33

ASM-SR4 [S6, WH16, R31] (144)  Speed: 77 600 km/s   End: 6.7m    Range: 31.1m km   WH: 16    Size: 6    TH: 569/341/170

AS100/32 MX384m -R4 -S6 (1)     GPS 2400     Range 384.0m km    Resolution 4
AS100/32 MX800m -R100 -S2.5 (1)     GPS 25000     Range 800.0m km    Resolution 100

Compact ECCM-4 (3)         ECM 50

Strike Group
24x C/A-5E Aesculapian Strikefighter   Speed: 27027 km/s    Size: 4.44
10x C/F-6B Fer-de-lance Interceptor   Speed: 36144 km/s    Size: 6.64
1x SH/SR-4 Ratfish Rescue Shuttle   Speed: 24000 km/s    Size: 5
2x SH/SR-3B Rasbora Rescue Shuttle   Speed: 29702 km/s    Size: 4.04

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

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[DN] Han Xin Mod.B class Dreadnought   40 000 tons     1027 Crew     18905.96 BP      TCS 800  TH 8000  EM 6000
10000 km/s     Armour 6-104     Shields 200-300     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 109     PPV 106.09
Maint Life 4.33 Years     MSP 14563    AFR 259%    IFR 3.6%    1YR 1248    5YR 18718    Max Repair 1800 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 18 months    Flight Crew Berths 41   
Hangar Deck Capacity 5125 tons     Magazine 931   

2000 EP/ E1 Solid Core AM Drive (4)    Power 2000    Fuel Use 12.5%    Signature 2000    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 3 620 000 Litres    Range 130.3 billion km   (150 days at full power)
Shields Xi-R300/360 (40)   Total Fuel Cost  600 Litres per hour  (14 400 per day)

Twin 20cm C10 FXR Mk.2 Laser Turret (2x2)    Range 600 000km     TS: 40000 km/s     Power 20-20     RM 8    ROF 5        10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 8 8
Twin Gauss LV4-100/ROF-5 Mk.2 Turret (3x10)    Range 40 000km     TS: 40000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 4    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
FC S02-R75k TS40000 (3)    Max Range: 150 000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     93 87 80 73 67 60 53 47 40 33
FC S08 R-300k TS-40000 (2)    Max Range: 600 000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     98 97 95 93 92 90 88 87 85 83
P8-S.5 Solid-core Anti-matter Power Plant (8)     Total Power Output 64    Armour 0    Exp 5%

ML S1-RL5s [AMM] (16)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
ML S4- RL345 (33% Reduction) (12)    Missile Size 4    Rate of Fire 345
MFC-AC 384m -R4 -S2 [100/32] (4)     Range 384.0m km    Resolution 4
MFC 96/10m -R1 -S1 [100/32] (8)     Range 96.0m km    Resolution 1
ASM-SR4 [S6, WH16, R31] (48)  Speed: 77 600 km/s   End: 6.7m    Range: 31.1m km   WH: 16    Size: 6    TH: 569/341/170
ASM-LR4A [S4, WH12, R230] (84)  Speed: 56 100 km/s   End: 68.3m    Range: 230.1m km   WH: 12    Size: 4    TH: 336/202/101
AMM-4A [R7.9m] (304)  Speed: 110 400 km/s   End: 1.2m    Range: 7.9m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 2428/1457/728

AS100/32 PD3.4m -MX32m -R1 -S1 (1)     GPS 100     Range 32.0m km    MCR 3.5m km    Resolution 1
AS100/32 MX384m -R4 -S6 (1)     GPS 2400     Range 384.0m km    Resolution 4
AS100/32 PD13m -MX128m -R1 -S4 (1)     GPS 400     Range 128.0m km    MCR 13.9m km    Resolution 1
AS100/32 MX1.1b -R100 -S3.5 (1)     GPS 35000     Range 1 120.0m km    Resolution 100

Compact ECCM-4 (13)         ECM 50

Strike Group
1x SH/SR-4 Ratfish Rescue Shuttle   Speed: 24000 km/s    Size: 5
12x C/A-5C Aesculapian Strikefighter   Speed: 27027 km/s    Size: 4.44
1x SH/SR-3B Rasbora Rescue Shuttle   Speed: 29702 km/s    Size: 4.04
5x C/F-6B Fer-de-lance Interceptor   Speed: 36144 km/s    Size: 6.64

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

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[DL] Dyeus Mod.B class Destroyer Leader    30 000 tons     810 Crew     15475.06 BP      TCS 600  TH 6000  EM 6000
10000 km/s     Armour 6-86     Shields 200-300     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 72     PPV 119.37
Maint Life 4.29 Years     MSP 10559    AFR 219%    IFR 3.1%    1YR 920    5YR 13805    Max Repair 1800 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 18 months    Flight Crew Berths 8   
Hangar Deck Capacity 500 tons     Magazine 955   

2000 EP/ E1 Solid Core AM Drive (3)    Power 2000    Fuel Use 12.5%    Signature 2000    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 2 550 000 Litres    Range 122.4 billion km   (141 days at full power)
Shields Xi-R300/360 (40)   Total Fuel Cost  600 Litres per hour  (14 400 per day)

Twin 20cm C10 FXR Mk.2 Laser Turret (1x2)    Range 600 000km     TS: 40000 km/s     Power 20-20     RM 8    ROF 5        10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 8 8
Twin Gauss LV4-100/ROF-5 Mk.2 Turret (4x10)    Range 40 000km     TS: 40000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 4    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
FC S08 R-300k TS-40000 (1)    Max Range: 600 000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     98 97 95 93 92 90 88 87 85 83
FC S02-R75k TS40000 (4)    Max Range: 150 000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     93 87 80 73 67 60 53 47 40 33
P8-S.5 Solid-core Anti-matter Power Plant (1)     Total Power Output 8    Armour 0    Exp 5%
P3.2-S0.2 Solid-core Anti-matter Power Plant (4)     Total Power Output 12.8    Armour 0    Exp 5%

ML S1-RL5s [AMM] (24)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
ML S4- RL345 (33% Reduction) (16)    Missile Size 4    Rate of Fire 345
MFC-AC 384m -R4 -S2 [100/32] (8)     Range 384.0m km    Resolution 4
MFC 96/10m -R1 -S1 [100/32] (8)     Range 96.0m km    Resolution 1
ASM-LR4A [S4, WH12, R230] (160)  Speed: 56 100 km/s   End: 68.3m    Range: 230.1m km   WH: 12    Size: 4    TH: 336/202/101
AMM-4A [R7.9m] (315)  Speed: 110 400 km/s   End: 1.2m    Range: 7.9m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 2428/1457/728

AS100/32 PD10m -MX96m -R1 -S3 (1)     GPS 300     Range 96.0m km    MCR 10.5m km    Resolution 1
AS100/32 PD3.4m -MX32m -R1 -S1 (1)     GPS 100     Range 32.0m km    MCR 3.5m km    Resolution 1
AS100/32 MX384m -R4 -S6 (1)     GPS 2400     Range 384.0m km    Resolution 4

Compact ECCM-4 (13)         ECM 40

Strike Group
1x SH/SR-4 Ratfish Rescue Shuttle   Speed: 24000 km/s    Size: 5

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

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[D] Russia Mod.B class Destroyer    20 000 tons     533 Crew     9373.8 BP      TCS 400  TH 4000  EM 4500
10000 km/s     Armour 6-65     Shields 150-300     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 60     PPV 86.43
Maint Life 4.05 Years     MSP 5917    AFR 158%    IFR 2.2%    1YR 578    5YR 8670    Max Repair 1000 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 18 months    Flight Crew Berths 3   
Hangar Deck Capacity 250 tons     Magazine 626   

2000 EP/ E1 Solid Core AM Drive (2)    Power 2000    Fuel Use 12.5%    Signature 2000    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 1 670 000 Litres    Range 120.2 billion km   (139 days at full power)
Shields Xi-R300/360 (30)   Total Fuel Cost  450 Litres per hour  (10 800 per day)

20cm C10 Far X-Ray Laser (3)    Range 600 000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 10-10     RM 8    ROF 5        10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 8 8
Twin Gauss LV4-100/ROF-5 Mk.2 Turret (3x10)    Range 40 000km     TS: 40000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 4    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
FC S02-R75k TS40000 (3)    Max Range: 150 000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     93 87 80 73 67 60 53 47 40 33
FC S2-R300k TS10000 (1)    Max Range: 600 000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     98 97 95 93 92 90 88 87 85 83
P3.2-S0.2 Solid-core Anti-matter Power Plant (2)     Total Power Output 6.4    Armour 0    Exp 5%
P8-S.5 Solid-core Anti-matter Power Plant (3)     Total Power Output 24    Armour 0    Exp 5%

ML S1-RL5s [AMM] (12)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
ML S3 -RL200s (33% Reduction) (12)    Missile Size 3    Rate of Fire 200
MFC 96/10m -R1 -S1 [100/32] (6)     Range 96.0m km    Resolution 1
AMM-4 [R3.2] (302)  Speed: 110 400 km/s   End: 0.5m    Range: 3.2m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 2097/1258/629
ACM-4B [S3, WH9, R57] (108)  Speed: 73 600 km/s   End: 13m    Range: 57.3m km   WH: 9    Size: 3    TH: 515/309/154

AS100/32 PD6.9m -MX64m -R1 -S2 (1)     GPS 200     Range 64.0m km    MCR 7.0m km    Resolution 1
AS100/32 PD13m -MX128m -R1 -S4 (1)     GPS 400     Range 128.0m km    MCR 13.9m km    Resolution 1

Compact ECCM-4 (10)         ECM 40

Strike Group
1x SH/SR-4 Ratfish Rescue Shuttle   Speed: 24000 km/s    Size: 5

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

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[F] Aquae Sextae Mod.C class Frigate    10 000 tons     285 Crew     5168.9 BP      TCS 200  TH 2000  EM 3300
10000 km/s     Armour 6-41     Shields 110-300     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 28     PPV 56.55
Maint Life 3.76 Years     MSP 2827    AFR 91%    IFR 1.3%    1YR 312    5YR 4682    Max Repair 1000 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 18 months    Spare Berths 1   

2000 EP/ E1 Solid Core AM Drive (1)    Power 2000    Fuel Use 12.5%    Signature 2000    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 825 000 Litres    Range 118.8 billion km   (137 days at full power)
Shields Xi-R300/360 (22)   Total Fuel Cost  330 Litres per hour  (7 920 per day)

20cm C10 Far X-Ray Laser (2)    Range 600 000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 10-10     RM 8    ROF 5        10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 8 8
Twin Gauss LV4-100/ROF-5 Mk.2 Turret (3x10)    Range 40 000km     TS: 40000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 4    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
FC S02-R75k TS40000 (3)    Max Range: 150 000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     93 87 80 73 67 60 53 47 40 33
FC S2-R300k TS10000 (1)    Max Range: 600 000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     98 97 95 93 92 90 88 87 85 83
P9.6-S.6 Solid-core Anti-matter Power Plant (1)     Total Power Output 9.6    Armour 0    Exp 5%
P3.2-S0.2 Solid-core Anti-matter Power Plant (3)     Total Power Output 9.6    Armour 0    Exp 5%

AS100/32 PD348k -MX3.2m -R1 -S.1 (1)     GPS 10     Range 3.2m km    MCR 349k km    Resolution 1

Compact ECCM-4 (3)         ECM 40

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

Engagements by previous versions of the Aquae Sextae class make me doubt their continued utility---they've been a bit of a third wheel when the dreadnaughts, and various destroyers are more capable beam combatants, so they've functioned primarily as too-expensive, glorified PD platforms. Subsequent to refits of older Aquae Sextaes I'll be retooling the frigate shipyards to turn out these more versatile frigates:

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[F] Poitiers class Missile Frigate    10 000 tons     277 Crew     4753.72 BP      TCS 200  TH 2000  EM 1950
10000 km/s     Armour 6-41     Shields 65-300     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 28     PPV 47.7
Maint Life 3.66 Years     MSP 2585    AFR 91%    IFR 1.3%    1YR 299    5YR 4482    Max Repair 1000 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 18 months    Spare Berths 1   
Magazine 301   

2000 EP/ E1 Solid Core AM Drive (1)    Power 2000    Fuel Use 12.5%    Signature 2000    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 825 000 Litres    Range 118.8 billion km   (137 days at full power)
Shields Xi-R300/360 (13)   Total Fuel Cost  195 Litres per hour  (4 680 per day)

20cm C10 Far X-Ray Laser (1)    Range 600 000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 10-10     RM 8    ROF 5        10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 8 8
Twin Gauss LV4-100/ROF-5 Mk.2 Turret (2x10)    Range 40 000km     TS: 40000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 4    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
FC S2-R300k TS10000 (1)    Max Range: 600 000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     98 97 95 93 92 90 88 87 85 83
FC S02-R75k TS40000 (2)    Max Range: 150 000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     93 87 80 73 67 60 53 47 40 33
P3.2-S0.2 Solid-core Anti-matter Power Plant (1)     Total Power Output 3.2    Armour 0    Exp 5%
P8-S.5 Solid-core Anti-matter Power Plant (1)     Total Power Output 8    Armour 0    Exp 5%

ML S1-RL5s [AMM] (12)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
MFC 96/10m -R1 -S1 [100/32] (4)     Range 96.0m km    Resolution 1
AMM-4A [R7.9m] (301)  Speed: 110 400 km/s   End: 1.2m    Range: 7.9m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 2428/1457/728

AS100/32 PD3.4m -MX32m -R1 -S1 (1)     GPS 100     Range 32.0m km    MCR 3.5m km    Resolution 1

Compact ECCM-4 (3)         Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes]

I wonder if my battle group craft complement leaves something to be desired, both in the design of the craft and in my combat doctrine. In my last major battle, I lost all my strikecraft to alien AMMs. My response was sensor research, longer-range MFCs, and longer-ranged missiles because I don't fully trust my railgun interceptors and never have---they weren't accompanying the strikecraft. I could be wrong, or I might feel differently if I had more than five per strikecraft squadron, but I like the synergies between the number of strikecarft and their carriers' magazine capacity too much to change squadron composition.

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C/A-5E Aesculapian class Strikefighter    222 tons     1 Crew     163.2 BP      TCS 4.44  TH 120  EM 0
27027 km/s     Armour 1-3     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 1.8
Maint Life 0 Years     MSP 0    AFR 44%    IFR 0.6%    1YR 9    5YR 131    Max Repair 60 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 0.1 months    Spare Berths 3   
Magazine 12   

120 EP/ E3 Solid Core AM Drive (1)    Power 120    Fuel Use 385.82%    Signature 120    Exp 30%
Fuel Capacity 5 000 Litres    Range 1.1 billion km   (10 hours at full power)

Box Launcher S6-HR45m-Mk.2 (2)    Missile Size 6    Hangar Reload 45 minutes    MF Reload 7.5 hours
MFC-AC 91/22m -R10 -S.3 [100/32] (1)     Range 91.1m km    Resolution 10
ASM-SR4A [S6,WH25, R53] (2)  Speed: 77 600 km/s   End: 11.4m    Range: 53m km   WH: 25    Size: 6    TH: 620/372/186

Small Craft ECCM-2 (1)         ECM 20

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

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C/F-6B Fer-de-lance class Interceptor    332 tons     4 Crew     300 BP      TCS 6.64  TH 240  EM 0
36144 km/s     Armour 1-4     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 3
Maint Life 0 Years     MSP 0    AFR 66%    IFR 0.9%    1YR 20    5YR 301    Max Repair 112 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 0.1 months    Spare Berths 0   

120 EP/ E3 Solid Core AM Drive (2)    Power 120    Fuel Use 385.82%    Signature 120    Exp 30%
Fuel Capacity 10 000 Litres    Range 1.4 billion km   (10 hours at full power)

10cm Railgun V4/C3/R40k (1x4)    Range 40 000km     TS: 36144 km/s     Power 3-3     RM 4    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
FC S0.5/ R75k/ TS40k (FTR) (1)    Max Range: 150 000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     93 87 80 73 67 60 53 47 40 33
P3.2-S0.2 Solid-core Anti-matter Power Plant (1)     Total Power Output 3.2    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Small Craft ECCM-2 (1)         This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

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SH/SR-3B Rasbora class Rescue Shuttle    202 tons     2 Crew     155 BP      TCS 4.04  TH 28.8  EM 0
29702 km/s     Armour 1-3     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 0
Maint Life 0 Years     MSP 0    AFR 40%    IFR 0.6%    1YR 7    5YR 101    Max Repair 120 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 0.3 months    Spare Berths 0   
Cryogenic Berths 200   

120 EP/ E3/ TR.25 Solid Core AM Drive (1)    Power 120    Fuel Use 385.82%    Signature 28.8    Exp 30%
Fuel Capacity 85 000 Litres    Range 19.6 billion km   (7 days at full power)

Active  MR1mk/ PD125k/ R1 (1)     GPS 5     Range 1.2m km    MCR 125k km    Resolution 1

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

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SH/SR-4 Ratfish class Rescue Shuttle    250 tons     3 Crew     155.6 BP      TCS 5  TH 28.8  EM 0
24000 km/s     Armour 1-3     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 0
Maint Life 0 Years     MSP 0    AFR 50%    IFR 0.7%    1YR 7    5YR 100    Max Repair 120 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 4 months    Spare Berths 0   
Cryogenic Berths 400   

120 EP/ E3/ TR.25 Solid Core AM Drive (1)    Power 120    Fuel Use 385.82%    Signature 28.8    Exp 30%
Fuel Capacity 85 000 Litres    Range 15.9 billion km   (7 days at full power)

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

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SH/TRN-05 Taimen class Fleet Support Vessel    100 tons     4 Crew     16.8 BP      TCS 2  TH 1  EM 0
500 km/s     Armour 1-1     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 0
Maint Life 0 Years     MSP 52    AFR 0%    IFR 0%    1YR 0    5YR 0    Max Repair 18 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 18 months    Spare Berths 1   

1 EP Nuclear Thermal Engine (1)    Power 1    Fuel Use 0.44%    Signature 1    Exp 2%
Fuel Capacity 5 000 Litres    Range 2045.5 billion km   (47348 days at full power)

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes
 

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Re: Current Battle Group Composition
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2018, 04:54:13 PM »
your support vessel is using nuclear pulse engines. you might want to consider an upgrade... your fleet also seems a bit slow for beam brawlers or too anemic in firepower to be a proper missile fleet. I think you should speciallize a lot more, try geting your frigate to go 50% faster, and give it some mean looking friends, or just get rid of all these lasers and fill the spaces with missiles and magazines... if you are looking for powerplay, that is... to me this game ends up being mostly about roleplay, so I often dont mind making the best out of my fleets.
if AMM is really being a proble for your strike craft, you may want to consider puting some armor on them. also having a sensor boat to go along with them is generally usefull in case you want to bait your enemy, or just make your assaults from a safer distance, without exposing the rest of your fleet.
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Re: Current Battle Group Composition
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2018, 03:43:11 PM »
The purpose of that fleet trainer is to slow down a TG so it burns less fuel in fleet training. The lower tech engine was best for that and cheaper to boot. If I was alert when I designed that engine, I'm pretty sure it has the most advanced fuel efficiency possible---it's not an old engine design, just old tech. The limiting factor was the minimum engine size. I couldn't go smaller, so I had to go with less punch.

My warships are definitely multi-role platforms, which insures that the loss of any particular ship (except maybe the carrier, which all the other ships are there to protect anyway) doesn't cripple battle groups' utility. I actually lost a carrier and dreadnaught in the six-ship iteration of these battle groups; the surviving escorts retreated from the system and maintained a JP blockade despite the losses. In my one encounter (I'm still on my first run at Aurora) with a hostile, tech-equivalent NPR I used three, seven-ship (subtract a <I>Dyeus</I>-class DL from each) battle groups in the invading task force. The diverse weapons all saw use and the ability of a battle group to fulfill its tasks wasn't crippled when I lost a destroyer (through misjudged distance/movement initiative on a "follow" order).

The multi-role designs don't make for the most efficient individual ships, but that isn't my aim. I want the battle groups able to capably handle whatever situation arises.

Looking at the carrier, however, I noticed that I don't have the best sensor package aboard. I cut out the PD sensor, but I kinda need that more than the long-range 100-res sensor. That's going to mean sending three carriers back to the shipyards.  :(
 

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Re: Current Battle Group Composition
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2018, 09:07:16 PM »
I've only looked at the carrier and strikecraft so far, but it's looking fairly well put together. Most of the issues I see are minor or doctrinal differences. The only major issue is carriers becoming obsolete when very high tech levels come into play, but more on that at the bottom.

Nitpicks:
- The Carrier and Strikefighter carry different missiles as standard. (I think you updated the Fighter but missed the carrier when changing missiles)
- The capital ships have a very long range. You would get a better effect reducing the range for more speed or payload.
    - 1x mult engines are rather unspecialised. (Here is a good thread on this topic)
    - Even keeping to 35% engine+fuel you could shift to 15000km/s with 50b km range.
- 500m km is a rather short strike range from my experience. Personally I don't consider less than 1b km viable, but I might be weird.
- Total strike capacity seems rather anemic. 72 missiles may not even be enough to breach a small fleet's Beam fire. (And AMMs become absurdly efficient at this tech level)

Doctrine:
- 1/6 carrier capacity
    - Personally I tend to run ~33-50% of my carriers as hangar deck.
- 10k km/s
    - My personal aim is for an equivalent speed to 40% tonnage as 1x engine. Which would be 16k km/s for Solid-core. This is on the fast side, but I'm impatient and it's worked so far.
- Deployment times, ranges, and Maint life
    - I tend not to have my vessels deploy for specific missions so have not yet needed more than ~6 months deployment
    - 40b km range has so far been enough for me to deploy anywhere my ships have been needed. (Occasionally I do need tanker for the return, but that's uncommon)
    - While the Frigates seem reasonable, I'm wondering why the other ships have such long deployment times
        - And I suspect if you're managing to use anywhere near that amount on repairs you'll need to look at your defensive doctrine.


High tech strike craft:
Basically there's a point that it become a negligible cost to placing cloaking devices on all your ships. I don't know if you've reached that point, but with the 125k rp techs you can manage a 95% reduction for 10% tonnage on ships down to 2000t. As the cost of the cloaks is based on the size (and no other factors) this means it costs ~16 bp for said cloak.

This results in a need for long range low Res sensors just to be able to engage mid sized targets. Sadly fighters are too small to ever efficiently use cloaks and thus simply become obsolete.

Thankfully I've not yet seen any indications that the AI makes use of cloaks and thus this is mostly observations without experience. (See here for other high tech discussion)
 

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Re: Current Battle Group Composition
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2018, 11:55:19 AM »
You don't need engines for your trainer at all. Make an Orbital Weapons Platform. I RP them as using simulators to fight.

Other than that, your ships look very impressive.
 

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Re: Current Battle Group Composition
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 03:59:40 PM »
I agree with most of the answers here.

I will not directly question the choice of engines to fuel ratio becasue you might have some special needs for building the ships in this fashion but here are my thoughts.

I generally nowadays tend to look at a good fuel efficiency rate that give me decent range but also a good enough overall fuel economy to support the fleet. For capital ships that is around 40-60% fuel efficiency. This means that the more technology I get the more I can increase the power rating of my ships and still have roughly the same operational range on my ships according to my doctrines.  System patrol crafts and escort frigates usually get engines at 80-120% fuel efficiency since they rarely go very far or if escorting stuff they stay back with the logistical arm that usually stay 5-15b km behind the warships if close to any action.

Capital warships rarely need more than about 15-25b km operational tactical range, this is the amount of fuel my capital warship get.

The amount of engines I put on my ships the completely depend on what speed they need versus the mission tonnage I want them to have. It is very difficult to dictate when speed is better than more offensive or defensive equipment. I usually find a mix to be desirable. Some chips that is fast enough to chase a fast enemy or scout in force and some that bring more weapons and defenses over speed.

In your case I would seriously reduce the range of the ships and invest a bit more into tankers... I assume you still need colliers and supply ships anyway close to your fleets to support them.

When it comes to maintenance there are a few things to think about... battle damage and deployment from their bases. Some ships might be deploying rather far from any maintenance support bases, in these cases you might want to have a decent amount of maintenance window on them. You also want at least two times the largest component MSP... especially if that is the engine. This mean that I usually have my capital warship at a general maintenance cycle of roughly 2-2.5 years.

A also find that deployment time don't need to be more than 3-9 months. Smaller ships around 3 month and the bigger ones about 6-9 months depending on the type of missions they get assigned to. You always want to station some recreation facility together with any advanced fleet logistical hub or base.
 

 

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