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 --- After feedback from my other post, I decided to try boosting the speed of my ships by cutting the range in half. While I was at it, I finished up some of the other ships and begun work on the rest of the Frigates. The Sentinel Class has been re-speced following the update as well and is included at the bottom of this post. Some weapons have undergone changes, with the Confederate gaining a 5 second RoF on the Railguns, although the lasers couldn't get the same treatment on account of them being 75% Weight Reduced models, so they would not only be more energy hungry, but also a full 100 Tons bigger overall than the two which are already mounted on the Confederate. Spare Bridge modules have been reduced from 3 to 2 across the board, the Sentinel now sports two 15cm Railguns with a 5 second RoF in place of the 15cm Railgun / Laser Combo, although the 30cm HPM is retained. Plenty of other tweaks have been made to the Warrior, Arcadia and the Jester, so check 'em out if you like. I've also added re-speced versions of the Perseus Warp Cruiser and the Mamluk Missile Destroyer which weren't in the related post, alogn with the all new Endeavor Battlecruiser.

 - And as always, Cheers! ;D

NOTE: The Valkyrie Strike Cratf remain unchanged and can be found in the reply thread of the Related Post, which can be found here: http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=10447.0


Standard Cruiser Group Composition:
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 6 Ships, 20 Fighters, 1 Jump Scout

 1x Confederate Class Cruiser

 1x Jester Class Surveillance Cruiser

 1x Intrepid Class Light Cruiser

 1x Warrior Class Destroyer

 2x Arcadia Class Carrier


Standard Strike Group Composition:
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 3x Perseus Class Warp Cruisers

 1x Jester Class Surveillance Cruiser

 1x Mamluk Class Missile Destroyer

 3x Endeavor Class Battlecruisers

 2x Standard Cruiser Groups


The Confederate Class:
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Confederate Class Cruiser    12,500 tons     419 Crew     5800 BP      TCS 250  TH 2000  EM 270
8000 km/s    JR 5-50     Armour 3-47     Shields 9-300     Sensors 90/90/0/0     Damage Control Rating 72     PPV 22.8
Maint Life 4.47 Years     MSP 3625    AFR 100%    IFR 1.4%    1YR 294    5YR 4408    Max Repair 1080 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 2.5 months    Spare Berths 8   

J12500(5-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 12500 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 5
1000 EP Internal Fusion Drive (2)    Power 1000    Fuel Use 20%    Signature 1000    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 775,000 Litres    Range 55.8 billion km   (80 days at full power)
Epsilon R300/288 Shields (3)   Total Fuel Cost  36 Litres per hour  (864 per day)

Single 10cm C3 Ultraviolet Laser Turret (2x1)    Range 120,000km     TS: 20000 km/s     Power 3-3     RM 4    ROF 5        3 3 3 3 2 2 1 1 1 1
15cm C3 Ultraviolet Laser (1)    Range 240,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 6-3     RM 4    ROF 10        6 6 6 6 4 4 3 3 2 2
15cm C3 Ultraviolet Laser (1)    Range 240,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 6-3     RM 4    ROF 10        6 6 6 6 4 4 3 3 2 2
15cm Railgun V8/C10 (2x4)    Range 240,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 9-10     RM 8    ROF 5        3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2 2
Fire Control S04 240-20000 H50 (2)    Max Range: 480,000 km   TS: 20000 km/s     98 96 94 92 90 88 85 83 81 79
Tokamak Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1.5 (1)     Total Power Output 36    Armour 0    Exp 35%

Active Search Sensor MR32-R1 (50%) (1)     GPS 180     Range 32.4m km    MCR 3.5m km    Resolution 1
Active Search Sensor MR324-R100 (50%) (1)     GPS 18000     Range 324.0m km    Resolution 100
Thermal Sensor TH5-90 (50%) (1)     Sensitivity 90     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  90m km
EM Detection Sensor EM5-90 (50%) (1)     Sensitivity 90     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  90m km

Compact ECCM-3 (2)         ECM 30

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


The Jester Class:
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Jester Class Surveillance Cruiser    12,500 tons     367 Crew     5535 BP      TCS 250  TH 2000  EM 270
8000 km/s     Armour 3-47     Shields 9-300     Sensors 360/360/0/0     Damage Control Rating 32     PPV 21.6
Maint Life 3.55 Years     MSP 3570    AFR 96%    IFR 1.3%    1YR 435    5YR 6526    Max Repair 1080 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 2.5 months    Flight Crew Berths 16   
Hangar Deck Capacity 500 tons     

1000 EP Internal Fusion Drive (2)    Power 1000    Fuel Use 20%    Signature 1000    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 925,000 Litres    Range 66.6 billion km   (96 days at full power)
Epsilon R300/288 Shields (3)   Total Fuel Cost  36 Litres per hour  (864 per day)

Single Gauss Cannon R4-50 Turret (6x4)    Range 40,000km     TS: 20000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 4    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S04 240-20000 H50 (2)    Max Range: 480,000 km   TS: 20000 km/s     98 96 94 92 90 88 85 83 81 79

Active Search Sensor MR51-R1 (50%) (1)     GPS 288     Range 51.8m km    MCR 5.6m km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH20-360 (50%) (1)     Sensitivity 360     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  360m km
EM Detection Sensor EM20-360 (50%) (1)     Sensitivity 360     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  360m km

Small Craft ECCM-1 (2)         This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


The Intrepid Class:
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Intrepid Class Light Cruiser    12,500 tons     343 Crew     3351.4 BP      TCS 250  TH 2000  EM 270
8000 km/s     Armour 3-47     Shields 9-300     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 72     PPV 28
Maint Life 4.36 Years     MSP 3128    AFR 98%    IFR 1.4%    1YR 265    5YR 3980    Max Repair 500 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 2.5 months    Spare Berths 6   
Magazine 558   

1000 EP Internal Fusion Drive (2)    Power 1000    Fuel Use 20%    Signature 1000    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 775,000 Litres    Range 55.8 billion km   (80 days at full power)
Epsilon R300/288 Shields (3)   Total Fuel Cost  36 Litres per hour  (864 per day)

Triple Gauss Cannon R4-50 Turret (1x12)    Range 40,000km     TS: 12000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 4    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S00.7 60-12000 H50 (1)    Max Range: 120,000 km   TS: 12000 km/s     92 83 75 67 58 50 42 33 25 17

Size 6 Missile Launcher (3)    Missile Size 6    Rate of Fire 30
Missile Fire Control FC58-R1 (50%) (1)     Range 58.3m km    Resolution 1
Size 6 Anti-ship Missile (48)  Speed: 20,000 km/s   End: 47.2m    Range: 56.7m km   WH: 16    Size: 6    TH: 180/108/54
Size 6 Radiation Missile (9)  Speed: 5,000 km/s   End: 224.6m    Range: 67.4m km   WH: 8    Size: 6    TH: 16/10/5
Size 6 EM Passive Probe (9)  Speed: 3,300 km/s   End: 1.3d    Range: 363.1m km   WH: 0    Size: 6    TH: 11/6/3
Size 6 TH Passive Probe (9)  Speed: 3,300 km/s   End: 1.3d    Range: 363.1m km   WH: 0    Size: 6    TH: 11/6/3
Size 6 Active Probe (18)  Speed: 3,300 km/s   End: 1.4d    Range: 408.5m km   WH: 0    Size: 6    TH: 11/6/3

Active Search Sensor MR102-R10 (50%) (1)     GPS 1800     Range 102.5m km    Resolution 10
Active Search Sensor MR51-R1 (50%) (1)     GPS 288     Range 51.8m km    MCR 5.6m km    Resolution 1

Compact ECCM-3 (2)         ECM 30

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


The Warrior Class:
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Warrior Class Destroyer    12,500 tons     414 Crew     5093 BP      TCS 250  TH 2000  EM 810
8000 km/s     Armour 4-47     Shields 27-300     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 75     PPV 36
Maint Life 6.81 Years     MSP 6049    AFR 78%    IFR 1.1%    1YR 227    5YR 3401    Max Repair 540 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 2.5 months    Spare Berths 2   

1000 EP Internal Fusion Drive (2)    Power 1000    Fuel Use 20%    Signature 1000    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 825,000 Litres    Range 59.4 billion km   (85 days at full power)
Epsilon R300/288 Shields (9)   Total Fuel Cost  108 Litres per hour  (2,592 per day)

Particle Beam-9 (4)    Range 320,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 22-12    ROF 10        9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9
Fire Control S02 240-10000 H50 (2)    Max Range: 480,000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     98 96 94 92 90 88 85 83 81 79
Tokamak Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1.5 (1)     Total Power Output 48    Armour 0    Exp 35%

Active Search Sensor MR253-R125 (50%) (1)     GPS 15750     Range 253.6m km    Resolution 125
Active Search Sensor MR507-R500 (50%) (1)     GPS 63000     Range 507.1m km    Resolution 500
Active Search Sensor MR175-R60 (50%) (1)     GPS 7560     Range 175.7m km    Resolution 60

ECCM-4 (2)         ECM 40

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


The Arcadia Class:
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Arcadia Class Carrier    12,500 tons     280 Crew     3073 BP      TCS 250  TH 2000  EM 270
8000 km/s     Armour 3-47     Shields 9-300     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 30     PPV 12
Maint Life 2.28 Years     MSP 1613    AFR 119%    IFR 1.7%    1YR 420    5YR 6294    Max Repair 500 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 2.5 months    Flight Crew Berths 103   
Hangar Deck Capacity 2500 tons     

1000 EP Internal Fusion Drive (2)    Power 1000    Fuel Use 20%    Signature 1000    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 1,675,000 Litres    Range 120.6 billion km   (174 days at full power)
Epsilon R300/288 Shields (3)   Total Fuel Cost  36 Litres per hour  (864 per day)

10cm Railgun V6/C3 (4x4)    Range 60,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 3-3     RM 6    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S01 120-10000 H50 (2)    Max Range: 240,000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     96 92 88 83 79 75 71 67 62 58
Tokamak Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1.5 (1)     Total Power Output 12    Armour 0    Exp 35%

Active Search Sensor MR58-R1 (50%) (1)     GPS 324     Range 58.3m km    MCR 6.4m km    Resolution 1

Strike Group
2x Valkyrie PVF-3S Scout   Speed: 20000 km/s    Size: 5
8x Valkyrie PVF-3I Interceptor   Speed: 20000 km/s    Size: 5

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

The Perseus Class:
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Perseus Class Warp Cruiser    12,500 tons     398 Crew     4269 BP      TCS 250  TH 2000  EM 270
8000 km/s    JR 6-50     Armour 3-47     Shields 9-300     Sensors 180/180/0/0     Damage Control Rating 72     PPV 6
Maint Life 3.56 Years     MSP 2753    AFR 96%    IFR 1.3%    1YR 334    5YR 5007    Max Repair 1080 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 2.5 months    Spare Berths 7   

J12500(6-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 12500 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 6
1000 EP Internal Fusion Drive (2)    Power 1000    Fuel Use 20%    Signature 1000    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 775,000 Litres    Range 55.8 billion km   (80 days at full power)
Epsilon R300/288 Shields (3)   Total Fuel Cost  36 Litres per hour  (864 per day)

15cm C3 Ultraviolet Laser (1)    Range 240,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 6-3     RM 4    ROF 10        6 6 6 6 4 4 3 3 2 2
15cm C3 Ultraviolet Laser (1)    Range 240,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 6-3     RM 4    ROF 10        6 6 6 6 4 4 3 3 2 2
Fire Control S02 240-10000 H50 (1)    Max Range: 480,000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     98 96 94 92 90 88 85 83 81 79
Stellarator Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 (1)     Total Power Output 6    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor MR129-R1 (50%) (1)     GPS 720     Range 129.6m km    MCR 14.1m km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH10-180 (50%) (1)     Sensitivity 180     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  180m km
EM Detection Sensor EM10-180 (50%) (1)     Sensitivity 180     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  180m km

ECCM-4 (1)         ECM 40

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


The Mamluk Class:
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Mamluk Class Missile Destroyer    12,500 tons     377 Crew     2584 BP      TCS 250  TH 2000  EM 270
8000 km/s     Armour 3-47     Shields 9-300     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 71     PPV 50
Maint Life 2.57 Years     MSP 1421    AFR 113%    IFR 1.6%    1YR 302    5YR 4531    Max Repair 500 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 2.5 months    Spare Berths 6   
Magazine 600   

1000 EP Internal Fusion Drive (2)    Power 1000    Fuel Use 20%    Signature 1000    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 775,000 Litres    Range 55.8 billion km   (80 days at full power)
Epsilon R300/288 Shields (3)   Total Fuel Cost  36 Litres per hour  (864 per day)

Size 10 Missile Launcher (5)    Missile Size 10    Rate of Fire 50
Missile Fire Control FC217-R125 (50%) (1)     Range 217.3m km    Resolution 125
Size 10 ASM [Anti-PD] (60)  Speed: 35,000 km/s   End: 30m    Range: 126.2m km   WH: 0    Size: 10    TH: 116/70/35

Active Search Sensor MR253-R125 (50%) (1)     GPS 15750     Range 253.6m km    Resolution 125

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


The Endeavor Class:
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Endeavor Class Battlecruiser    12,500 tons     409 Crew     6923.8 BP      TCS 250  TH 2000  EM 270
8000 km/s     Armour 3-47     Shields 9-300     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 50     PPV 60.12
Maint Life 3.68 Years     MSP 3635    AFR 119%    IFR 1.7%    1YR 416    5YR 6239    Max Repair 2160 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 2.5 months    Spare Berths 6   

1000 EP Internal Fusion Drive (2)    Power 1000    Fuel Use 20%    Signature 1000    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 775,000 Litres    Range 55.8 billion km   (80 days at full power)
Epsilon R300/288 Shields (3)   Total Fuel Cost  36 Litres per hour  (864 per day)

15cm C12 Ultraviolet Laser Mk. II (1)    Range 240,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 6-12     RM 4    ROF 5        6 6 6 6 4 4 3 3 2 2
15cm C12 Ultraviolet Laser Mk. II (1)    Range 240,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 6-12     RM 4    ROF 5        6 6 6 6 4 4 3 3 2 2
Particle Beam-9 (1)    Range 320,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 22-12    ROF 10        9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9
Twin Gauss Cannon R4-100 Turret (2x8)    Range 40,000km     TS: 40000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 4    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
12cm Railgun V8/C6 (2x4)    Range 160,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 6-6     RM 8    ROF 5        2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 1
Fire Control S02 240-10000 H50 (1)    Max Range: 480,000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     98 96 94 92 90 88 85 83 81 79
Fire Control S08 240-40000 H50 (1)    Max Range: 480,000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     98 96 94 92 90 88 85 83 81 79
Fire Control S04 160-20000 H50 (1)    Max Range: 320,000 km   TS: 20000 km/s     97 94 91 88 84 81 78 75 72 69
Tokamak Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1.5 (1)     Total Power Output 48    Armour 0    Exp 35%

Active Search Sensor MR324-R100 (50%) (1)     GPS 18000     Range 324.0m km    Resolution 100
Active Search Sensor MR32-R1 (50%) (1)     GPS 180     Range 32.4m km    MCR 3.5m km    Resolution 1

Compact ECCM-3 (3)         ECM 30

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


The Sentinel Class:
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Sentinel Class Frigate    6,250 tons     216 Crew     2534 BP      TCS 125  TH 1000  EM 0
8000 km/s    JR 1-50     Armour 3-30     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 26     PPV 21
Maint Life 4.28 Years     MSP 1596    AFR 49%    IFR 0.7%    1YR 140    5YR 2103    Max Repair 540 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 2.5 months    Spare Berths 5   

J6500(1-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 6500 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 1
1000 EP Internal Fusion Drive (1)    Power 1000    Fuel Use 20%    Signature 1000    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 360,000 Litres    Range 51.8 billion km   (75 days at full power)

R24/C12 High Power Microwave (1)    Range 240,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 24-12     RM 24    ROF 10        1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
15cm Railgun V8/C10 (2x4)    Range 240,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 9-10     RM 8    ROF 5        3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2 2
Fire Control S02 240-10000 H50 (1)    Max Range: 480,000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     98 96 94 92 90 88 85 83 81 79
Tokamak Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 (1)     Total Power Output 8    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Tokamak Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1.5 (1)     Total Power Output 24    Armour 0    Exp 35%

Active Search Sensor MR29-R1 (50%) (1)     GPS 162     Range 29.2m km    MCR 3.2m km    Resolution 1

Compact ECCM-3 (1)         ECM 30

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
 

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A major underlying theme is that your tech level varies so greatly between different lines that some don't get to play to their usual strengths.

Capacitors and railgun velocity are so developed that railguns dominate small lasers. Your 15cm railguns are excellent, 20cm/C12 would also be attractive.
If twice your base BFC tracking speed is sufficient for PD and fast enemies, turrets don't cut it: railguns more than make up in volume what they lack in accuracy, relative to both Gauss (10cm railguns) and lasers (15cm+ railguns).
Small lasers have only 2 advantages, they're cheaper because they need less capacitor for full effectiveness (neglegible considering how much you splurge on non-weapon systems) and have a better damage profile (minor). I consider 15cm lasers to be the best weapons for quite some time, but you have outgrown them.

The microwaves and particle beams add unique capability even if your current tech makes railguns the king of beam weapons. Lasers could, at larger sizes (burning through armour, causing shock damage). Gauss cannons could, in faster-tracking turrets. Your current tech setup is actually quite Gauss-friendly as engine concept is way behind BFC and turret tech; I often favour railguns on fast ships for PD but that would be unreasonably fuel-hungry in your situation.

Design details: 2 turreted 10cm lasers in the Confederate aren't worth the overhead in fire control, especially not considering the above.  Endeavour has lasers with more power than necessary, no weapon fires faster than once every 5s.
 
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@Iranon

 --- This is just an early look mind you. I went into "Research All" in SM and basically told the game, "Give me everything up to 40,000 RPs" so the tech levels will be adjusted for the final outcome. The Capacitor 12 15cm Lasers were an oopsie, that should be Capacitor 6, thanks for pointing that out. 10cm Lasers do have a better damage profile, which is the reason the Confederate mounts them; it's an Anti-missile, Anti-fighter, Anti-FAC battery all rolled into one. 20cm Railguns probably would be better, but I have no intention of having that level of Railgun Tech when I lay these ships down. I intend to (roughly) have:

 --- 12cm Laser

 --- 15cm Meson

 --- 15cm Railgun

 --- 30cm Microwave

 --- Capacitor 12

 --- 0.75 Reduction for Lasers

 --- Spinal Mount

 --- Advanced Spinal Mount

 --- Gauss Range / RoF 3 (These are built with Range / RoF 4)


After this Generation of warships, I'll be focusing down missile tech. I'll also be investing heavily in lasers from then on, since the X-Ray lasers work into my missile strategy. I'll probably half the range of the 15cm Railguns in the final product, as I don't want to heavily invest in Railguns. As the title implies, this is an early look, so folks can see it and help me find major deficiencies; i.e. the 6,000 km/s speed, RoF issues, extraneous range, etc. So far so successful! Thanks for the feedback.
 

 

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