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Ships of the USSRE: The destroyers
« on: June 25, 2020, 09:07:27 AM »
  After losing half a dozen survey ships to the aggressive alien species called Yaga Central Command decided to launch a big ships expansion program. At that time the Red Space Navy had only 3 6kt frigates which were obsolete at  that point and 36 fighters for home defense. Utilizing the newest armor, armament and propulsion technologies 3 new class of destroyers were designed and a new much more powerful missile.

(Quick side note: I am playing with 50% race research rate. Improved nuclear pulse engines.)

  The first new destroyer class was the P-1121 Vigilant. P-1121 means Project 1 (escort) 12 (12kt displacement) 1 (First of this arrangement). The Vigilant is equipped with the biggest and best active sensor suit the Union has to offer. With some additional passive sensors but these were legacy equipment from an older exploration frigate. The idea was that these destroyers will be the fleet eyes but not unarmed and certainly not unarmored. As these ships will have the best sensors in the fleet it was necessary to heavily armor them because an enemy fleet will probably focus it's fire on them. Also she is equipped with AK-102 10cm railguns for point defense and two particle beams for long range engagements. After the first and second battle of Karl Marx it became apparent that the main long range armament was insufficient because the Yaga had a more powerful albeit same range version of it and their ships armor was thick enough to resist multiple hits from it. A quick stopgap solution was needed. Fortunately new capacitor tech was only within months reach. After a year and a half all ships received the "P" upgrade package. (P= Particle) The new particle beam has the same range and strength but 10sec reload time instead of 15. Uniquely in this ships alone was necessary to change reactors too to a more boosted one as the class had very minimal power reserve . In the 3rd battle of Karl Marx (which was more of a minor skirmish) these new guns devastated the enemy formation.

Currently the RSN has 2 units of the Vigilant class and 2 more under production. One for each squadron: SUR Vigilant, SUR Observant and under production are: SUR Alert and SUR Awake.

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P-1121 Vigilant P class Destroyer Leader      12,000 tons       356 Crew       1,817.8 BP       TCS 240    TH 1,200    EM 0
5000 km/s      Armour 6-46       Shields 0-0       HTK 68      Sensors 30/24/0/0      DCR 3      PPV 36
Maint Life 2.53 Years     MSP 2,284    AFR 384%    IFR 5.3%    1YR 497    5YR 7,458    Max Repair 300 MSP
Kapitan vtorogo ranga    Control Rating 2   BRG   AUX   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Morale Check Required   

Junkers Jumo INPE 600 (2)    Power 1200    Fuel Use 96.45%    Signature 600    Explosion 15%
Fuel Capacity 1,201,000 Litres    Range 18.7 billion km (43 days at full power)

BPR PB 3/10 "Jenny" (2)    Range 150,000km     TS: 5,000 km/s     Power 7-4    ROF 10       
Arsenal Design Bureau AK-102 Railgun V30/C3 (8x4)    Range 30,000km     TS: 5,000 km/s     Power 3-3     RM 30,000 km    ROF 5       
BWB BFC R96-TS5100 (1)     Max Range: 96,000 km   TS: 5,100 km/s     90 79 69 58 48 38 27 17 6 0
BWB BFC R192-TS5100 (1)     Max Range: 192,000 km   TS: 5,100 km/s     95 90 84 79 74 69 64 58 53 48
OKBM IPB R12.1 (3)     Total Power Output 36.3    Exp 10%

CASI "Watchtower" AS62-R100 (70%) (1)     GPS 9600     Range 62.8m km    Resolution 100
CASI "Canary" AS11-R1 (70%) (1)     GPS 64     Range 11.1m km    MCR 995k km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH5-30 (1)     Sensitivity 30     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  43.3m km
EM Sensor EM4.00-24.00 (1)     Sensitivity 24     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  38.7m km

ECCM-1 (2)         ECM 10

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

 The fleet needed long range firepower too which lead to the the development of the P-1122 Leningrad class. The Leningrad has a much weaker but lighter sensor suit and armor compared to the Vigiland but she won't be deployed as a single ship in a fleet shining brightly like the Red Star Monument on the Moon during a clear night on every EM sensor in the system. The point defense system is also weaker by 3 AK-102s but all that space was needed for a huge battery of 40 launchers. Currently the ASM-8-2 Granit is in use but the new Granit-M is on the production line with higher speed but lower range. In the second battle of Karl Marx system 4 of these ships launched 160 missiles managing to destroy two enemy ships and damage all the others breaking their formation apart and slowing half of the enemy fleet down to various speeds.. Without these ships the battle could have been lost. After the battle multiple new units were ordered. The big 23kt enemy ships are hellishly durable and in a future battle the Union will propably need a higher alpha strike.
  Standard missile doctrine at the time is to close in inside of AMM-range and fire every missile in a huge coordinated strike. If the enemy ASM/AMM fire is too heavy and this tactic proves to be too dangerous the missiles have some extra range to be fired from a distance.
  The Leningrad class also received the P upgrade package.
Currently there are 12 P-1122 in the RSN.
SUR Body, SUR Gadzhibei, SUR Okrylennyy, SUR Vozbuzhdennyy, SUR Ostorozhnyy, SUR Stoyky, SUR Veduschiy, SUR Baku, SUR Provomy, SUR Rezvy, SUR Vnimatelnyy


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P-1122 Leningrad P class Destroyer      12,000 tons       277 Crew       1,578.7 BP       TCS 240    TH 1,200    EM 0
5000 km/s      Armour 4-46       Shields 0-0       HTK 94      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 3      PPV 69
Maint Life 2.68 Years     MSP 2,246    AFR 384%    IFR 5.3%    1YR 445    5YR 6,677    Max Repair 300 MSP
Magazine 320   
Kapitan vtorogo ranga    Control Rating 2   BRG   AUX   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Morale Check Required   

Junkers Jumo INPE 600 (2)    Power 1200    Fuel Use 96.45%    Signature 600    Explosion 15%
Fuel Capacity 1,157,000 Litres    Range 18 billion km (41 days at full power)

BPR PB 3/10 "Jenny" (1)    Range 150,000km     TS: 5,000 km/s     Power 7-4    ROF 10       
Arsenal Design Bureau AK-102 Railgun V30/C3 (5x4)    Range 30,000km     TS: 5,000 km/s     Power 3-3     RM 30,000 km    ROF 5       
BWB BFC R96-TS5100 (1)     Max Range: 96,000 km   TS: 5,100 km/s     90 79 69 58 48 38 27 17 6 0
BWB BFC R192-TS5100 (1)     Max Range: 192,000 km   TS: 5,100 km/s     95 90 84 79 74 69 64 58 53 48
OKBM IPB R10 (2)     Total Power Output 20.2    Exp 5%

Size 8.00 Box Launcher (40)     Missile Size: 8    Hangar Reload 141 minutes    MF Reload 23 hours
CMFCI "Destroyer" MFC FC36-R100 (4)     Range 36.3m km    Resolution 100
ASM-8-2 Granit (40)    Speed: 20,000 km/s    End: 11.8m     Range: 14.2m km    WH: 9    Size: 8    TH: 120/72/36

Active Search Sensor AS25-R100 (70%) (1)     GPS 1600     Range 25.7m km    Resolution 100
Active Search Sensor AS5-R1 (70%) (1)     GPS 16     Range 5.5m km    MCR 497.5k km    Resolution 1

ECCM-1 (2)         ECM 10

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

The original program had a third DD class too. The P-1123 Hamburg destroyer escort. These ships main purpose was to defend the fleet against incoming missiles hence the 12 AK-102 railgun but also to provide long range firepower. This is why these ships have the heaviest long range armament so far. The ships proved themselves thoroughly in the second battle of Karl Marx. In which the Yaga fired more than 4000 AMM and ASM at the 1st Destroyer squadron but only a handful AMM penetrated the PD network. Sadly even with this much long range armament the firepower proved to be weak against the bigger enemy combatants requiring multiple dozen hits to seriously injure them. The "P" upgrade package helped but the RSN was not content with the available short range firepower.

Currently 10 is in service and 2 is under construction.
SUR Bayern, SUR Lütjens, SUR Oldenburg, SUR Sachsen-Anhalt, SUR Schleswig-Holstein, SUR Braunschweig, SUR Emden, SUR Erfurt, SUR Rommel, SUR Thüringen.
Under construction are: SUR Hessen and SUR Mölders.

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P-1123 Hamburg P class Destroyer Escort      12,000 tons       401 Crew       1,728.5 BP       TCS 240    TH 1,200    EM 0
5000 km/s      Armour 4-46       Shields 0-0       HTK 79      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 3      PPV 54
Maint Life 2.64 Years     MSP 2,270    AFR 384%    IFR 5.3%    1YR 461    5YR 6,912    Max Repair 300 MSP
Kapitan vtorogo ranga    Control Rating 2   BRG   AUX   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Morale Check Required   

Junkers Jumo INPE 600 (2)    Power 1200    Fuel Use 96.45%    Signature 600    Explosion 15%
Fuel Capacity 1,210,000 Litres    Range 18.8 billion km (43 days at full power)

BPR PB 3/10 "Jenny" (3)    Range 150,000km     TS: 5,000 km/s     Power 7-4    ROF 10       
Arsenal Design Bureau AK-102 Railgun V30/C3 (12x4)    Range 30,000km     TS: 5,000 km/s     Power 3-3     RM 30,000 km    ROF 5       
BWB BFC R96-TS5100 (2)     Max Range: 96,000 km   TS: 5,100 km/s     90 79 69 58 48 38 27 17 6 0
BWB BFC R192-TS5100 (1)     Max Range: 192,000 km   TS: 5,100 km/s     95 90 84 79 74 69 64 58 53 48
OKBM IPB R10 (5)     Total Power Output 50.5    Exp 5%

Active Search Sensor AS25-R100 (70%) (1)     GPS 1600     Range 25.7m km    Resolution 100
Active Search Sensor AS5-R1 (70%) (1)     GPS 16     Range 5.5m km    MCR 497.5k km    Resolution 1

ECCM-1 (3)         ECM 10

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

  After the second battle of Karl Marx and numerous other skirmishes the particle armament proved useful but not powerful enough. Multiple research project are underway to improve the particle armament but those are very expensive and long projects. The RSN needed something for the immediate future and that how the P-1124 Catapult class was born
Equipped with the newest and biggest AK-201 railgun and the newest 33% longer range AK-103 point defense guns the destroyer has a very strong medium range firepower and thanks to the AK-201 multipurpose nature a strong PD capacity.
 One ships was ordered for every (4) DD squadron. They could not prove as of now because the Yaga is unusually inactive in the last few years.  There were talks in the fleet to upgrade the rest of the ships PD guns with this new AK-104 but it would provide no extra PD capability so the upgrade is delayed for the time being.

Currently there are 4 P-1124 catapult in service: SUR Escopette SUR Fantassin, SUR Fronde, SUR Glaive

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P-1124 Catapult class Destroyer Escort      12,000 tons       404 Crew       1,856.6 BP       TCS 240    TH 1,200    EM 0
5000 km/s      Armour 4-46       Shields 0-0       HTK 79      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 3      PPV 54
Maint Life 2.57 Years     MSP 2,290    AFR 384%    IFR 5.3%    1YR 485    5YR 7,270    Max Repair 300 MSP
Kapitan vtorogo ranga    Control Rating 2   BRG   AUX   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Morale Check Required   

Junkers Jumo INPE 600 (2)    Power 1200    Fuel Use 96.45%    Signature 600    Explosion 15%
Fuel Capacity 1,212,000 Litres    Range 18.8 billion km (43 days at full power)

Arsenal Design Bureau AK-201 V40/C4 (6x4)    Range 160,000km     TS: 5,000 km/s     Power 12-4     RM 40,000 km    ROF 15       
Arsenal Design Bureau AK-103 Railgun V40/C3 (4x4)    Range 40,000km     TS: 5,000 km/s     Power 3-3     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
BWB BFC R96-TS5100 (1)     Max Range: 96,000 km   TS: 5,100 km/s     90 79 69 58 48 38 27 17 6 0
BWB BFC R192-TS5100 (2)     Max Range: 192,000 km   TS: 5,100 km/s     95 90 84 79 74 69 64 58 53 48
OKBM IPB R12.1 (4)     Total Power Output 48.4    Exp 10%

Active Search Sensor AS25-R100 (70%) (1)     GPS 1600     Range 25.7m km    Resolution 100
Active Search Sensor AS5-R1 (70%) (1)     GPS 16     Range 5.5m km    MCR 497.5k km    Resolution 1

ECCM-1 (3)         ECM 10

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


  The destroyers are organized currently in 4 squadrons. Each have a Vigilant and Catapult plus 3-3 Leningrad and Hamburg class DD. Currently all of them is stationed on Earth because the colonization efforts are only slowly progressing thanks to the Yaga, lack of good candidates, mineral shortages and the Ghost Fleet of Alpha Centaury.

  In a few years I plan to upgrade the ships PD weapons, engines, sensors, EW equipment and possibly even armor in a few wave of upgrades. I am also planning to introduce shields an AMM-s to the fleet possibly even a few carriers.
 The bigger cruisers and capital size ships will have 0,3 size launchers as I plan to use the DD-s on the long run as a defensive force and the bigger longer ranged ships as an offensive force. But as of now I have to use the DD-s for both roles that is why I gave them almost three years of maintenance life.

What do you think? Do you like these designs?
 
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Re: Ships of the USSRE: The destroyers
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2020, 10:53:17 PM »
I am personally not a huge fan of AMM. I use them occasionally but rarely. I would replace your AMM capability with gauss or rail gun turrets, as you see fit. The cost savings are significant in the long run, I think. After only a handful of engagements, the non-missile AMM defenses should pay for themselves.
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Re: Ships of the USSRE: The destroyers
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2020, 01:33:37 PM »
Love the idea of playing as a worldwide USSR. I do think your 12kt ships could use a little more armor, especially ones that intend to use railguns.
 

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Re: Ships of the USSRE: The destroyers
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2020, 02:32:20 PM »
I am personally not a huge fan of AMM. I use them occasionally but rarely. I would replace your AMM capability with gauss or rail gun turrets, as you see fit. The cost savings are significant in the long run, I think. After only a handful of engagements, the non-missile AMM defenses should pay for themselves.

I should say that although I am a pro-gauss individual myself, I still use long-range and fast AMMs as a way of providing actually useful area-defence PD (unlike laser based area-PD). It allows my to keep vital ships such as carriers safe from beam attacks while allowing me to detach beam ships which can then benefit from AMM cover at a distance. Helping me keep a tight formation while also compensating for my now separated gauss PD.

I can generally keep my vulnerable ships that I do not want to be in range about 3m kilometers behind the charging beam group which keeps them out of range but the beam ships within AMM coverage.
 

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Re: Ships of the USSRE: The destroyers
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2020, 06:02:54 PM »
I am personally not a huge fan of AMM. I use them occasionally but rarely. I would replace your AMM capability with gauss or rail gun turrets, as you see fit. The cost savings are significant in the long run, I think. After only a handful of engagements, the non-missile AMM defenses should pay for themselves.

I should say that although I am a pro-gauss individual myself, I still use long-range and fast AMMs as a way of providing actually useful area-defence PD (unlike laser based area-PD). It allows my to keep vital ships such as carriers safe from beam attacks while allowing me to detach beam ships which can then benefit from AMM cover at a distance. Helping me keep a tight formation while also compensating for my now separated gauss PD.

I can generally keep my vulnerable ships that I do not want to be in range about 3m kilometers behind the charging beam group which keeps them out of range but the beam ships within AMM coverage.

I tend to use short range AMM as a last-ditch option on my ill-prepared survey craft, which are usually several tech levels and refits behind my actual combat-ready military vessels. The survey craft get a few AMMs because they have small missile launchers for launching sensor buoys, and a couple AMMs are cheap to add, but these ships are not really expected to withstand a major missile barrage. My more combat oriented military ships, on the other hand, are expected to withstand large missile barrages, and use a multitude of gauss cannons for that purpose.
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Re: Ships of the USSRE: The destroyers
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2020, 04:47:48 PM »
Currently I do not have an AMM capability but I would like to have one. I like to put AMM-s on my bigger ships mostly. The idea is if the enemy is throwing huge salvos at me then I need something to thin their lines a bit. Usually I put the launchers on 1:1 .
I am a firm believer of the onion/ogre/Shrek (call it what you like :D) defense doctrine. I want as many layers of defense as possible. Currently I feel kinda naked but I limited my tech progress so I have to make due with what I have. In an ideal world you have AMM-s to thin the incoming salvo PD to actually stop them and a shield to survive the leakers without damage. Ofc you need armor too.
 The main reason I choose railguns (aside of the fact that railguns are the coolest.) is that they are the most multipurpose type of them all. Even the bigger ones have 15s reload right now which usually enough against continuous ASM-s barrages.

I plan to use gauss in the long run but for now I can get away with railguns because my DD-s are quite fast for it's tech. My cruisers and capital ships are planned to have a bit more fuel efficient engines (120% instead of the 150% the DD-s use) so I will use gauss on those. I think I am only roughly 2 year away from the 4 shot gauss.

 

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Re: Ships of the USSRE: The destroyers
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2020, 04:54:40 PM »
Love the idea of playing as a worldwide USSR. I do think your 12kt ships could use a little more armor, especially ones that intend to use railguns.

Thanks! I thinks a name change is due though. United Soviet Socialist Republics of Earth is a bit too exclusive with a 100+ million people living on the colonies. Maybe I revert back to USSR or change the "of Earth" part to something else.

Yes more armor is really needed on my DD-s. I just researched multiple new techs so they will probably get a layer or two armor extra. Or shields.
Why do you think the railgun ones need it the most? I intend to use my DD-s as squadrons. That is why I distribute the EW weapons on all classes so when a a close range fight occurs no ship is useless and losing a single ship ( or all ships from the same type) does not men losing a hole capability.
 

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Re: Ships of the USSRE: The destroyers
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 12:34:05 AM »
I mean, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is kind of the umbrella term for Earth and her colonies, sorta like the mainland USSR and the Balkans being incorporated for example. My recent playthrough was just USS for United Socialist States.
 

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Re: Ships of the USSRE: The destroyers
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 08:21:51 AM »
I am personally not a huge fan of AMM. I use them occasionally but rarely. I would replace your AMM capability with gauss or rail gun turrets, as you see fit. The cost savings are significant in the long run, I think. After only a handful of engagements, the non-missile AMM defenses should pay for themselves.

I should say that although I am a pro-gauss individual myself, I still use long-range and fast AMMs as a way of providing actually useful area-defence PD (unlike laser based area-PD). It allows my to keep vital ships such as carriers safe from beam attacks while allowing me to detach beam ships which can then benefit from AMM cover at a distance. Helping me keep a tight formation while also compensating for my now separated gauss PD.

I can generally keep my vulnerable ships that I do not want to be in range about 3m kilometers behind the charging beam group which keeps them out of range but the beam ships within AMM coverage.


Another solution for this is two things, box launched AMM missiles on the beam ships, just enough for an emergency and a fighter escort armed with AMM. If you have missile interceptors they work great for that purpose too. Any kind of box launched AMM need very short engagement ranges. I suppose those beam ships have some PD as well, they should.

I always use a good layered defence myself of beams, PD, multi-purpose PD (railguns, turreted lasers etc..), long and short range AMM both box launched (or reduced size AMM) and standard more long range AMM systems.
 

 

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