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Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Reply #315 on: May 28, 2025, 06:33:35 AM »
I have two further requests for standing orders:

1. Add a "Send Message" conditional standing order. If people want to do something more complex than possible in the system, they can get a conditional that causes it and then send a message saying what should happen. eg. I set a message on "cargo full" which says "Salvager needs to unload", so I get reminded to do so.
2. Add a checkbox for executing standing orders at all. I regularly end up overbuilding geosurvey capacity, and then having all geological survey ships complain at me that they lack somewhere to go, and having to break away their conditional orders and rebuild them once the gravsurvay has caught up. A checkbox with "just don't run standing orders" would allow me to deactivate those ships without having to remove the standing orders and rebuild them later.
 
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Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Reply #316 on: May 28, 2025, 08:45:38 AM »
Will the new hull category toggle remember the last status between game restarts? Or will I have to toggle it on every time I open the class window?

The toggle status is remembered for each race. The default is on.
 
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Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Reply #317 on: May 28, 2025, 09:41:55 AM »
The new hull and weapons category update is a huge help in middle/late game when you have dozens of classes and guns and your eyes start to rotate because of the mess, thank you Steve!
 

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Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Reply #318 on: May 28, 2025, 12:01:40 PM »
I have two further requests for standing orders:

1. Add a "Send Message" conditional standing order. If people want to do something more complex than possible in the system, they can get a conditional that causes it and then send a message saying what should happen. eg. I set a message on "cargo full" which says "Salvager needs to unload", so I get reminded to do so.
2. Add a checkbox for executing standing orders at all. I regularly end up overbuilding geosurvey capacity, and then having all geological survey ships complain at me that they lack somewhere to go, and having to break away their conditional orders and rebuild them once the gravsurvay has caught up. A checkbox with "just don't run standing orders" would allow me to deactivate those ships without having to remove the standing orders and rebuild them later.

I've implemented the second suggestions.
http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=13463.msg173478#msg173478

The first is more involved as it would require additional functionality for standing orders.
 
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Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Reply #319 on: May 28, 2025, 02:00:08 PM »
Lots of cool changes in the pipeline.

I'm a little curious about hull categories work for custom hull types. For that matter, some sort of way to customize hull types in general would be cool so I don't end up scrolling through a bunch of hull types that have been used in Steve's games, but that's admittedly a minor quality of life issue.
 

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Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Reply #320 on: May 28, 2025, 02:10:52 PM »
Hull categories are a great addition! The hull list can get very difficult to navigate in lategame when you're fielding dozens of hull types.

Speaking of navigating lists, here's a suggestion for your consideration: One can type the first few letters of any name in the Economics, Naval or GU windows, and the game will select the matching population or fleet, which is very useful once you've got too many of them to count. However, this is impossible in windows where every item in the list has a prefix (in the Officer window, anything you can assign an officer to is prefixed with a required rank or admin rating, and in the Ship Combat window, every target is prefixed by its designated hull type) because the game will only search by the prefix, which is largely useless.

If the game could ignore the prefixes in these windows and search through the actual entity names (in case of assigning Ground Force commanders to GUs, I reckon ignoring both the rank and the GU abbreviation prefixes would be optimal), assigning officers to ships, populations and GUs and selecting targets in large naval engagements would be so much easier!

Another option I have considered is to have their ships launched from different bodies in the system, except for the orbital bases. In VB6, they used to have bases on multiple bodies with tracking stations and replacement ordnance.

I'm not sure how lore-friendly this approach to "Necrons" would be, but who cares? Having Precursors spawn throughout the system would be far more interesting than potentially never having to fight a single ship of theirs if you play carefully and station a large garrison on every ruin. It would also lead to very interesting multi-directional engagements. Although I think spawning their scout classes as a first wave a couple weeks or months in advance of the real awakening could be a good idea for large ruins, because getting overwhelmed by a massive fleet with no prior warning might be a bit too much.

There's also an option to spawn Precursor ships as wrecks that would reactivate upon salvage attempts or when the awakening comes, however this might actually provide too much information about the coming threat and make things too predictable. However, random derelict wrecks in general are something that's really missing from the game, in my opinion. We can already find ruins of clearly interstellar civilizations, with two or three systems having been colonized by the same race prior to its extinction, but there's not a single shipwreck to be found!

Maybe they've all been mopped up by the Invaders (who are responsible for the downfall of all prior civilizations in the lore, if memory serves me right?) but it really doesn't have to be that way, encountering actual traces of the extinct empires' navies would add so much character to the game, not to mention interesting salvaging opportunities for the player or for the certain ever-ravenous spoiler.
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Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Reply #321 on: May 28, 2025, 04:47:19 PM »
I'm not sure how lore-friendly this approach to "Necrons" would be, but who cares? Having Precursors spawn throughout the system would be far more interesting than potentially never having to fight a single ship of theirs if you play carefully and station a large garrison on every ruin.

I assume that the "old" precursors will co-exist with their sleepy cousins with you also running into already awakened precursors. At least that's how I've understood it.

But yeah I do like the idea of there potentially being multiple precursor fleets dotted around systems where they are present. Especially if you add a mechanic where one group being engaged makes the other groups converge towards the combat zone, further making recon and full sensor coverage more important.
 
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Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Reply #322 on: May 28, 2025, 05:22:06 PM »
I have two further requests for standing orders:

1. Add a "Send Message" conditional standing order. If people want to do something more complex than possible in the system, they can get a conditional that causes it and then send a message saying what should happen. eg. I set a message on "cargo full" which says "Salvager needs to unload", so I get reminded to do so.
2. Add a checkbox for executing standing orders at all. I regularly end up overbuilding geosurvey capacity, and then having all geological survey ships complain at me that they lack somewhere to go, and having to break away their conditional orders and rebuild them once the gravsurvay has caught up. A checkbox with "just don't run standing orders" would allow me to deactivate those ships without having to remove the standing orders and rebuild them later.

I've implemented the second suggestions.
http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=13463.msg173478#msg173478

The first is more involved as it would require additional functionality for standing orders.

If the problem is how the custom message would be entered and stored, then maybe you could create a generic request attention order.
When triggered it could create an event like "<Fleet x> in <system y> is requesting new orders"
 
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Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Reply #323 on: June 01, 2025, 07:17:20 PM »
There's also an option to spawn Precursor ships as wrecks that would reactivate upon salvage attempts or when the awakening comes, however this might actually provide too much information about the coming threat and make things too predictable. However, random derelict wrecks in general are something that's really missing from the game, in my opinion. We can already find ruins of clearly interstellar civilizations, with two or three systems having been colonized by the same race prior to its extinction, but there's not a single shipwreck to be found!

Maybe they've all been mopped up by the Invaders (who are responsible for the downfall of all prior civilizations in the lore, if memory serves me right?) but it really doesn't have to be that way, encountering actual traces of the extinct empires' navies would add so much character to the game, not to mention interesting salvaging opportunities for the player or for the certain ever-ravenous spoiler.
Wouldn't the ancient shipwrecks have already been salvaged by the Raiders? That might have been how they were sustaining their economies after the Fall. You could even posit that the Raiders are the last remaining survivors of the prior age, which would fit their Dark Eldar inspiration.
 

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Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Reply #324 on: June 01, 2025, 07:43:30 PM »
There's also an option to spawn Precursor ships as wrecks that would reactivate upon salvage attempts or when the awakening comes, however this might actually provide too much information about the coming threat and make things too predictable. However, random derelict wrecks in general are something that's really missing from the game, in my opinion. We can already find ruins of clearly interstellar civilizations, with two or three systems having been colonized by the same race prior to its extinction, but there's not a single shipwreck to be found!

Maybe they've all been mopped up by the Invaders (who are responsible for the downfall of all prior civilizations in the lore, if memory serves me right?) but it really doesn't have to be that way, encountering actual traces of the extinct empires' navies would add so much character to the game, not to mention interesting salvaging opportunities for the player or for the certain ever-ravenous spoiler.
Wouldn't the ancient shipwrecks have already been salvaged by the Raiders? That might have been how they were sustaining their economies after the Fall. You could even posit that the Raiders are the last remaining survivors of the prior age, which would fit their Dark Eldar inspiration.

This could actually be pretty cool. If the player discovers a system with derelict wrecks, they have to race against time to salvage the wreck before the Raiders find it or else commit to defending the system to avoid giving the Raiders a jump boost.

Of course, I see no problem with presuming that the Raiders missed a few here and there to justify the wrecks still being present.
 

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Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Reply #325 on: June 05, 2025, 09:03:35 AM »
Awesome to see wrecks being addded! My question is, will their placement be truly random, or will they gravitate towards the ruins of old civilizations, where precursors usually dwell? Let's say I have 2 ruins of the same race in my game, each one system apart, will these 3 systems (and maybe the adjacent systems) have a higher chance of spawning a wreck? If that's the case, any chance of making those wrecks tech-appropriate to the race whose ruins they litter? I reckon this could be accomplished by generating dummy Precursor designs with techs matching TL1 to TL5 and using them for wrecks only? This would make those high-tier ruins even more valuable.

Also, this might be better for the Suggestions thread (and I don't know how difficult this would be to implement), but one thing that had just occurred to me is that ruins could get generated in swathes same way Post-Start Multi-System NPRs are going to be, with the game spawning an entire small derelict empire in one go. This would make exploration even more exciting (a wreck in the middle of nowhere? something interesting might be next door!), possibly alleviate the issue of NPR generation-induced pauses spoiling things (you wouldn't know if you're getting an alive NPR or a dead one) and also create opportunities to spawn additional spoilers that could catch the player completely off-guard (especially the one with an affinity for expanding and eating wrecks).
 
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Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Reply #326 on: June 05, 2025, 09:24:24 AM »
Awesome to see wrecks being addded! My question is, will their placement be truly random, or will they gravitate towards the ruins of old civilizations, where precursors usually dwell? Let's say I have 2 ruins of the same race in my game, each one system apart, will these 3 systems (and maybe the adjacent systems) have a higher chance of spawning a wreck? If that's the case, any chance of making those wrecks tech-appropriate to the race whose ruins they litter? I reckon this could be accomplished by generating dummy Precursor designs with techs matching TL1 to TL5 and using them for wrecks only? This would make those high-tier ruins even more valuable.

Also, this might be better for the Suggestions thread (and I don't know how difficult this would be to implement), but one thing that had just occurred to me is that ruins could get generated in swathes same way Post-Start Multi-System NPRs are going to be, with the game spawning an entire small derelict empire in one go. This would make exploration even more exciting (a wreck in the middle of nowhere? something interesting might be next door!), possibly alleviate the issue of NPR generation-induced pauses spoiling things (you wouldn't know if you're getting an alive NPR or a dead one) and also create opportunities to spawn additional spoilers that could catch the player completely off-guard (especially the one with an affinity for expanding and eating wrecks).

Wrecks will usually appear in systems with planets. They may be in orbit and, if so, they are more likely to appear in orbit of planets with better environments.

I like the idea of a 'fallen race'. I could probably generate the race normally, then wipe it out, then pass a random amount of historical time to reduce what remains, including radiation. Substantial addition though, so might not be soon.
 
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Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Reply #327 on: June 05, 2025, 10:19:20 AM »
I appreciate the change to only see race portraits once you've observed a member of the race. I know it's purely a cosmetic thing but it appeals to me for flavor reasons.
 
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Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Reply #328 on: June 05, 2025, 11:29:21 AM »
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Communication is established
A populated colony of the alien is captured or transferred to the viewing race.
A ship of the alien race surrenders or is captured
A lifepod of that race is rescued.
Sufficient ELINT data is gathered to generate an Intelligence Event

Hmm, will these conditions apply to the "special" aliens, i.e. Precursors, Raiders, Rakhas, Swarm, Invaders ?

Cos at least some of them, the conditions other than the ELINT one are not possible iirc ?

Like, raiders and precursors don't have populations that can be captured, and you can't communicate with them, and they don't have lifepods.
 

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Re: v2.6.0 Changes Discussion Thread
« Reply #329 on: June 05, 2025, 11:46:44 AM »
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Communication is established
A populated colony of the alien is captured or transferred to the viewing race.
A ship of the alien race surrenders or is captured
A lifepod of that race is rescued.
Sufficient ELINT data is gathered to generate an Intelligence Event

Hmm, will these conditions apply to the "special" aliens, i.e. Precursors, Raiders, Rakhas, Swarm, Invaders ?

Cos at least some of them, the conditions other than the ELINT one are not possible iirc ?

Like, raiders and precursors don't have populations that can be captured, and you can't communicate with them, and they don't have lifepods.

They do apply to spoiler races. At the moment, you know immediately if you have met certain races, which takes away some of the fog of war. The only one where it is impossible is Swarm, because you can't board their ships in v2.6. However, I should have included aliens boarding your ships as a condition, which solves that one too.
 
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