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Re: Real World 21st Century Ground Unit Templates
« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2018, 04:04:07 AM »


It's the Israeli knock-off but you get the idea. Especially as these formations are Generic NATO/Western ones. The point is that the vehicle is not armed with the mortar, hence why I'm using infantry: light bombardment instead.

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That mortar in the picture isn’t a 60mm mortar ... looks more like an 81 or 120 ... totally understand that you didn’t mean mounted on ... it’s just that 60 mm mortars are normally given to light infantry companies and man packed every place ... hell , I’ve humped some of that stuff over a fair distance in my time in uniform ... nothing worse than getting stuck with the 50 cal receiver while your mate carries the barrel
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Re: Real World 21st Century Ground Unit Templates
« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2018, 01:47:44 PM »
... nothing worse than getting stuck with the 50 cal receiver while your mate carries the barrel

Doesn't your mate carry two barrels for the Browning?
 

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Re: Real World 21st Century Ground Unit Templates
« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2018, 02:19:59 AM »
We had the whole section carringythe thing ... spare barrel, tripod, ammo ....
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Re: Real World 21st Century Ground Unit Templates
« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2018, 04:56:03 AM »
You don't want one guy carrying the only 2 barrels you've got anyway. It's one thing if you've got only 1, in which case the risk of point failure is impossible to avoid, but if you've got two?

Better to have 2 guys split the ammo between them and each carry a barrel instead of losing one to enemy action or an accident and have a useless gun.
 

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Re: Real World 21st Century Ground Unit Templates
« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2018, 03:18:38 PM »
I can't seem to find any reliable company level TO&E for other Russian and Chinese formations, so for them it might just be best to use the equivalent NATO ones.

Steve, is the stuff I've made useful or would you like it to be in a different layout or format? Would it help if I made a list of currently active brigade level formations around the world? Or is there something else we can do to help with this part of the project?
 

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Re: Real World 21st Century Ground Unit Templates
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2018, 04:59:37 PM »
I can't seem to find any reliable company level TO&E for other Russian and Chinese formations, so for them it might just be best to use the equivalent NATO ones.

Steve, is the stuff I've made useful or would you like it to be in a different layout or format? Would it help if I made a list of currently active brigade level formations around the world? Or is there something else we can do to help with this part of the project?

I think what you have is fine. Once I start creating real world ground templates I will begin getting into this in more detail.

At work I have been doing some coding using JSON files to read complex hand histories for poker hands into a C# structure (which has been fun because in my job I don't get to be hands-on as often as I would like). This might be a good format for the type of open-ended constructs that ground formations entail. I could come up with a suitable JSON file format that players can create and Aurora can read straight into unit classes and formation templates.
 
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Re: Real World 21st Century Ground Unit Templates
« Reply #51 on: November 05, 2018, 02:14:24 PM »
Russian formations -these are valid for the mid-2000s after the big reorganizations that happened in the 1990s. If someone has access to more up-to-date organizations, please share.

This is still reasonably accurate for ~2018 Russian battalions/brigades. Here's the Defense Intelligence Agency's "Russian Military Power" doc from 2017, which talks about some of the recent organizational efforts: http://www.dia.mil/Portals/27/Documents/News/Military%20Power%20Publications/Russia%20Military%20Power%20Report%202017.pdf?ver=2017-06-28-144235-937
pgs51-56 have some brigade personnel number charts and text descriptions of Russia's reorganization post-2008 (the war with Georgia).

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Putting in companies later when I find a reliable company level TO&E

Have you looked at FM 7-100.4 "Opposing Force Organization Guide"? Chapter 4 is what you want for Battalion/Company/Platoon info, I think...
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/7-100-4/fm7-100-4.pdf


Regarding Chinese TOE.....their military is constantly evolving. I've kept a pretty close eye on them (partly out of professional interest) and I can't keep track of how their brigades are structured half the time. The latest is their transition to "combined arms brigades", which is about 4 infantry battalions with a lot of supporting assets. They also maintain a small force of VERY large and robustly-equipped tank/mechanized divisions that don't seem to be downsizing to the brigade model. Lemme see what I can dig up from my bookmarks later.... Previously they were organized on the Russian/Soviet model so that's a decent stand-in in the absence of better information.
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