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C# Mechanics / Re: Potential Changes to Shipping Lines
« Last post by non sequitur on Today at 02:39:07 PM »
Being honest, I like the way the civilian lines work now and like the experience you are describing Steve because it makes the growth of the empire feel organic to me.

That said, could we add some kind of mechanic where if a civilian ship sits idle for too long the line decommissions the ship? In game it can be explained as a company doesn't want to pay for maintenance of a ship that isn't doing anything. So if you want to decrease the number of ships you just mark a bunch of colonies as stable and wait for the ships to disappear.
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C# Mechanics / Re: Potential Changes to Shipping Lines
« Last post by skoormit on Today at 02:31:41 PM »
paying by distance travelled in km rather than transits made

This change makes every kind of sense.
Unless the computational cost of the distance calculations is excessive, it seems like a worthwhile idea.
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C# Mechanics / Re: Potential Changes to Shipping Lines
« Last post by xenoscepter on Today at 02:26:26 PM »
 --- Perhaps give them a sort of fluff base? Like CMCs, they'll spring up on eligible worlds, but would serve as mock "supply bases". Having these tied to player colony sizes, pops, etc and making shipping lines rely on these outside of truly huge ships could give a lot of levers for both you the dev to balance with and you the player to interact with.

 --- Sorry for no effort post on this, I usually turn them off myself. XD
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C# Mechanics / Re: Potential Changes to Shipping Lines
« Last post by Zap0 on Today at 01:55:55 PM »
Instead of reducing the growth rate of shipping lines, I'd impose a cap on their size and number. Be it a soft or hard cap. I've made the experience in long games that civilian shipping can grow to massive proportions and obsolete the player economy with the wealth generated via taxes.

Suggestion: Lines pay a minimal amount of dividends/maintenance until they make up 10% of yearly income, and then the maintenance increases exponentially. Say they give up half their income in maintenance and only pay half their taxes if shipping line income makes up 30% of your yearly income, halving again if it reaches 50% etc.

In this scheme all lines would have the same maintenance rate. I don't really see much point in multiple lines (besides flavor), and have also observed that there ends up being a few massive lines and a lot of tiny ones. So I'd just impose a hard cap on the number of lines per race.

That doesn't solve the issue that planet-moon shipping lines are obscenely profitable. Tying the income to distance traveled sounds good. Perhaps with a small fixed component, say 10% of current income, so that these kinds of lines also don't become worthless. Maybe tie it to travel time instead, including loading and unloading?
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C# Mechanics / Re: Potential Changes to Shipping Lines
« Last post by Xkill on Today at 01:30:43 PM »
Interesting. Changing base carrying capacity of ships seems reckless. I can see it causing problems for the early game, which is already slow. Besides, all it really does is postpone what is already happening. Eventually, the civvies will just build more ships or larger ships and it all comes back again.

The maintenance idea seems good. A nice soft cap on individual potential. If I understood it correctly, it would only affect each line separately and so not cause problems with a growing empire, as new lines can simply pop up over time and fulfill that demand until they too become "decadent" and slow down growth to potentially nothing.

I think it is logical and appropriate that larger empires do things more massively and faster than smaller ones. Especially if compact in territory. It gives a sense of progress and allows the player to more easily marshall additional resources toward other interesting parts of the game. It provides a more or less clear transition between the early-game exploration phase where everything is slow; through the mid-game expansion phase where everything is fast; to the late-game exploitation phase where you can do anything you wish due to having infinite resources.
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C# Mechanics / Re: Potential Changes to Shipping Lines
« Last post by Kaiser on Today at 01:28:49 PM »
I really like how the civilian system currently works, I'm in 100+ years conventional start and I do not have any performance issues due to civilian + love the flavour they add.

That being said, you could add a corruption and waste money variable which increases proportionally with the shipping line size, so that they have less money.
The bigger the ship, the bigger the waste and corruption.
Also the bigger the shipping line, the bigger the corruption.

This simulate the increase number of offices, employees etc.
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C# Mechanics / Potential Changes to Shipping Lines
« Last post by Steve Walmsley on Today at 12:37:15 PM »
In my current campaign, I am 32 years into a conventional start and I have four shipping lines for the player race. The largest has forty-eight huge colony ships and forty-nine huge freighters, plus numerous smaller ones,  and seems to be building a new huge ship every few weeks. The other three shipping lines are considerably smaller.

The number of huge colony ships means that the civs will build up a new colony very quickly and also eat into source populations fairly quickly too.

So I am considering changing how shipping lines work, so they don't become so overwhelming, while trying to retain the flavour. I have a few ideas, such as halving the money received by civilian shipping, changing civilian designs so they are slower, significantly reducing the money for in-system transport, or maybe paying by distance travelled in km rather than transits made or limiting how often new ships can be built.

Another option is replacing dividends with a percentage maintenance payment, which is modified by an admin overhead that increases as the number of ships increases - effectively limiting the rate at which a shipping line can increase in size.

A more dramatic change would be altering transport for all ships, not just civilians, so less can be transported. That means fewer cargo points and less colonist capacity per ton.

However, I would like to hear other opinions and ideas before deciding how to tackle it.
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C# Suggestions / Re: Financial Centers
« Last post by Ulzgoroth on Today at 09:33:55 AM »
Since you have instant communications, you could put Wall Street on Pluto and it'd be fine.

Modern financial centers primarily employ a somewhat narrow slice of the population - it's odd to think of a settlement where nearly everyone is in that sector, but eh.

The way you spend Wealth seems to line up fine with it actually being money in the treasury, not a cypher for public standards of living or whatever, though obviously there's no monetary economics model going on. Financial centers serving purely to pipe money into the treasury is a bit funny though!
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So, a weird behavior I'd like clarification on:

In my current campaign, I have one player race in Sol, and then I've created a habitable system in SM mode and placed a second player race in that system. The second race is therefore aliens from a human perspective with no connection to Earth.

This second race has just explored their first jump point and discovered the system of 70 Ophiuchi. By which I mean, that's the name this non-Terran race has assigned to this star system, despite being a completely alien race that has never heard of Sol as anything besides a random G2-V star that they probably have seen in their telescopes at some point in ancient history, and which has completely different constellations in any case.

So my question is: if the game is being played with Real Stars (which I prefer for system generation), do all player races use the 'real' names for the star systems even if they don't start on Earth? And if so, is there any way to force the system names to follow the naming theme? The setting in the Galactic Map window does not seem to matter here.
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C# Suggestions / Re: Financial Centers
« Last post by Jorgen_CAB on Yesterday at 03:04:22 PM »
The name might not be the best but wealth in the game are not really material wealth but rather immaterial wealth. This could be anything from social, medical or just economic wealth that makes life better. The game already include material consumer goods as industry that population naturally are employed in. The Financial Centers are government funded wealth distribution for the population and in terms produce excess wealth that the government can use as payment for services rendered to the population in return.

To be honest I don't really know what a better name would be, but I do agree that Financial Centers seem a bit off from what it actually is as it does not really means money in its pure form.
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