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General Discussion / Re: Questions Not Worth Their Own Thread: C# Edition
« Last post by AlStar on April 29, 2024, 06:50:35 PM »
I've been playing with my galaxy layout, since I just found a connection that joined the far western side of my map with the far eastern side.

Does anyone with a better sense for these things have any idea how to make this constellation of jumps not be a total rat's nest?
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General Discussion / Re: What's Going On In Your Empire: C# Edition
« Last post by AlStar on April 29, 2024, 12:10:17 PM »
We just participated in the largest battle in our empire's history to date - roughly 300,000 tons of Precursor ships, plus STOs on the planet below against a roughly equal tonnage of my own ships.

Something I don't think I ever appreciated before was just how devastatingly quick beam combats can be. The design philosophy I've been following in this game is massed laser weapons - 10cm turrets for primarily anti-missile operations, then 12cm or 15cm for higher damage and more range. Everything with the capacitor technology needed to fire every 5 seconds.

Once our fleet got within beam range of the planet - close enough that everything I had could fire, but far enough away that the (50!) STOs were only hitting for 1 point of damage; missing often - the entire combat took less than three minutes. I know this, because about halfway through the fight, some of the damaged Precursors came after us - either because they had run out of missiles and were going to ram, or because they wanted to get within range of their mass drivers; I'm not sure. In any case, I knocked the engines out on one of them, and deployed assault troops mid-fight. That combat - which ticks every minute - only got a single round off before the shooting stopped.

Roughly 400,000 tons of combat ships (100% of their force, ~30% of mine) vaporized in minutes.
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General Discussion / Re: Questions Not Worth Their Own Thread: C# Edition
« Last post by Steve Walmsley on April 29, 2024, 10:16:23 AM »
Quote from: themousemaster on April 29, 2024, 07:56:45 AM
Quote from: skoormit on April 23, 2024, 08:45:09 AM
Quote from: vorpal+5 on April 22, 2024, 07:10:53 AM
An easy one for you veterans!

Is Fuel Production not in fact Fuel Productivity? This would change my priorities ...

Not sure what you mean.

The Fuel Production technology determines the base number of liters per year your race produces with a single Fuel Refinery installation or Sorium Harvester ship module.
Actual production of a given Fuel Refinery is modified by the Production bonus of Planet and Sector governors, as well as the Manufacturing Efficiency Modifier of the population.
Actual production of a given Sorium Harvester ship module is modified by the Mining bonus of the Ship commander and of the appertaining Naval Admin commanders.

Regardless of tech or bonuses, production requires one ton of sorium for every 2000 liters produced.

Uh oh... there goes my mind again.

So fuel creation on a PLANET is modified by personnel production bonuses and NOT personnel mining bonuses, but fuel on a SHIP is modified by personnel mining bonuses, but not personnel production bonuses?

I've been sabotaging my own fuel for so many playthroughs... :(

Yes, on a planet, the refineries are producing fuel from already mined Sorium, so its a production bonus. Orbital harvesters are mining the Sorium to turn into fuel, so its mining bonuses (strictly speaking they are also refining it, but the mining is the primary task).
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General Discussion / Re: Questions Not Worth Their Own Thread: C# Edition
« Last post by themousemaster on April 29, 2024, 07:56:45 AM »
Quote from: skoormit on April 23, 2024, 08:45:09 AM
Quote from: vorpal+5 on April 22, 2024, 07:10:53 AM
An easy one for you veterans!

Is Fuel Production not in fact Fuel Productivity? This would change my priorities ...

Not sure what you mean.

The Fuel Production technology determines the base number of liters per year your race produces with a single Fuel Refinery installation or Sorium Harvester ship module.
Actual production of a given Fuel Refinery is modified by the Production bonus of Planet and Sector governors, as well as the Manufacturing Efficiency Modifier of the population.
Actual production of a given Sorium Harvester ship module is modified by the Mining bonus of the Ship commander and of the appertaining Naval Admin commanders.

Regardless of tech or bonuses, production requires one ton of sorium for every 2000 liters produced.

Uh oh... there goes my mind again.

So fuel creation on a PLANET is modified by personnel production bonuses and NOT personnel mining bonuses, but fuel on a SHIP is modified by personnel mining bonuses, but not personnel production bonuses?

...

I've been sabotaging my own fuel for so many playthroughs... :(
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C# Suggestions / Re: Suggestions Thread for v2.4.0
« Last post by vorpal+5 on April 29, 2024, 12:19:06 AM »
Add a "Total Fleet Range" feature to display the combined potential travel distance based on the fleet's fuel reserves and individual ship ranges (using as a base the ship with min range), simplifying logistics by eliminating the need to check each ship separately.

This could mirror the current speed display, incorporating the smallest ship's range.
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C# Suggestions / Re: I'm curious about something ... (material for improvement?)
« Last post by Froggiest1982 on April 28, 2024, 06:49:55 PM »
Quote from: vorpal+5 on April 27, 2024, 12:26:05 AM
It's "Fleet Range." At the top level, you see the total fuel in your fleet and the distance of all move orders. However, the information that's missing is the overall range the fleet could travel. To find this out, you currently have to expand the ship tree and check the range of each individual ship.

Admittedly, one reason for this might be the ability to transfer fuel within the fleet. But without considering fuel transfer, the current interface requires constant checking of individual ships to get an idea of the fleet's range.

That line is solely for the fuel, therefore limited to the amount of fuel in the fleet. The way I understand it, the tab is for maintenance and logistical purposes, so at a glance, you are able to understand costs for MSP, fuel for the fleet to be operational, and other important information such as location and/or orders.

Having said that, perhaps the range could be implemented in the same way that speed works, including the smallest ship's range in the fleet itself, which I assume currently triggers the 50% (or any other) conditional order?

Perhaps, you can add this as suggestion on the https://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=13404.msg169562#new thread as I think we could benefit from something like that.
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C# Bug Reports / Re: v2.5.1 Bugs Thread
« Last post by ISN on April 28, 2024, 06:20:56 PM »
Tractored ships with engines will use fuel as if they were moving under their own power under certain conditions. I believe the bug shows up if the tractored ship has moved on its own without being tractored since the last time the game was opened. I was able to reproduce the issue in a fresh game using the following steps:
  • Make two tugs and two other ships with engines, e.g. fuel harvesters
  • Order Harvester 1 to move to Luna, leave the other one at Earth
  • Order Tug 1 to tractor Harvester 1 and Tug 2 to tractor Harvester 2
  • Order both tugs to move to Neptune. Harvester 1 will use fuel while being tugged; Harvester 2 will not.
  • Save, close, and reopen the game, and neither one will use fuel
I confirmed I'm using version 2.5.1.
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Starfire / Re: Pachidermal Patrimony Power Play
« Last post by Paul M on April 28, 2024, 11:45:37 AM »
The Chantry of Light Month 80

Council Chambers, Lathandras, Thedas System

Divine Rosamund XII sat on her throne observing the back and forth of the budget debate.  She blinked and her smart glasses brought up a set of screens.  Templar-Captain Ti'Lir was doing an able job defending his requests even if it had come up that the projected efficiency increase in the Pathfinder Flotillas was going to be less than earlier proposed. Joy, Xi doesn't get boosted by Xr like I had hoped!  Her fingers danced in mid air and the latest census and tax results displayed themselves next to each system the Chantry had settled.  The thought that somehow the Chantry...well not somehow of course.  As the Vinter and Laysian empires had prepared for their last battle, one which could have resulted in the destruction of both, the Chantry had brought them to the peace table.  Then later the Divine Giselle, using the fact the Chantry was responsible for most of both's social services, manoeuvred them both into agreeing that it was in the best interests of them both to abdicate.  Well, Rosamund mused, likely that agreement had been a pretty clever manipulation but the Maker works in ways most mysterious.  Her fingers danced and she could see the break down of population and tax income from the systems in more detail.  Extensive investment in industrial concerns on many of the colony worlds was smoothing out the income discrepancies that earlier reports had shown.  5 of the 11 worlds had incomes near to 300 MCr, a further 5 had incomes around 600 MCr and Niagra was now producing 2000 MCr.  A further 13 systems were colonised but their income and populations were still small.  Of course they all needed protection...which meant the Shield and Wardens...and that meant new construction and...  She sighed and her fingers cleared the displays from her glasses.  That meant more meetings, may the Maker bless them all.  Her attention returned to the council's debate into the start of construction on two deep space construction vessels.

The growth turn has been good for income but the last several turns and the next several turns looks to be:  build new survey ships, refit old survey ships, transport to the max of the CFN (more or less), built some PCFs, and spend money on IUs.  TL4 is now "average" so it isn't coming soon.  But all military ships have been refit and the final construction for the 3 new patrol squadrons is just finishing.  The yards need an expansion that is for sure.
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C# Suggestions / Re: Suggestions Thread for v2.4.0
« Last post by skoormit on April 28, 2024, 06:47:59 AM »
Quote from: ISN on April 27, 2024, 06:46:02 PM
It seems that civilian ships will load colonists from colonies marked as sources even if there are no destinations available. This isn't a big deal normally, but it's somewhat annoying in empires with multiple species: colony ships will fill up with one species, and if they don't have a valid destination they won't be able to carry colonists of a different species. I think it would be better for civilian colony ships to only pick up colonists once they have a valid destination, like civilian freighters.

This is a great point.
Though perhaps the behavior should remain as it is now (loading colonists immediately, rather than waiting for a destination) if an empire only has one race.
As soon as an empire is home to two different races, the colony ships should wait to load until they know which race they will need to deliver.
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C# Bug Reports / Re: v2.5.1 Bugs Thread
« Last post by skoormit on April 28, 2024, 06:43:44 AM »
"Show Next Tech" checkbox does not affect the Engine Power dropdown.

On the Create Research Project window, with Engines selected as the type, there are five further dropdowns:

Engine Tech
Engine Power
Fuel Consumption
Thermal Reduction
Engine Size

My current tech is:
Nuclear Pulse
40%-200%
0.8LEPH
50% Thermal
60HS max

When I tick the Show Next Tech checkbox, the dropdown lists repopulate with the options that will become available when I complete the next associated tech.
Except for Engine Power, which still only has the options from 40% to 200%.

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